Darran is offering people a chance to write about something they love, getting published and earning a few quid...and this is your answer?
That's rude...
It's a great game but I'm terrible at it. At the moment, I'm still struggling to reach the score that's been pre-loaded for me in the high-score table!
Auto-correction on positioning would have made it easier, but then I don't necessarily want easy. What it is is fast and accurate - I certainly can't fault the collision detection. And it's wonderfully colourful.
Anyway, seems you are not a person, who cares about other ppl opinion, even more - tries to make fun of it. Seems no point in continuing this discussion. Cheers.
Anyway, seems you are not a person, who cares about other ppl opinion, even more - tries to make fun of it. Seems no point in continuing this discussion. Cheers.
You've got no idea to what he's referring to.
I do and sometimes it's best to leave the past where it is...
I see your point, Shadow Maker, but that doesn't mean that Sokurah has to take on your opinion and actually do as you ask, does it? It was your opinion and Sokurah has a differing of opinion. It happens.
Anyway, seems you are not a person, who cares about other ppl opinion, even more - tries to make fun of it. Seems no point in continuing this discussion. Cheers.
Well, I'm going to continue the discussion anyway, because believe it or not - that post had nothing to do with Ralf. I've been trying to find that little snippet of conversation for a while now - searched for it several times - and just found it and posted it because I thought it was a bit funny. It certainly wasn't me who started suggesting that if you hadn't contributed anything to the scene your opinion don't count for much.
Again, the timing had nothing to do with Ralf's post - you're imagining that. I cannot say this enough times.
But why do you think I don't care about other peoples opinions? All I've done is give my view on things. Did you expect me to say "yes, I'm sorry you don't like the controls. I'll change them right away for you" just because someone didn't like them.
Y'know - I never said I was done with it...I may still update it.
Relax... He have his opinion, I have mine, I told my opinion, author made fun of me. All is ok, everyone happy. Cheers at last, I do not want to speak about this, as I said there is no point in telling anything more in this case.
Well, ok, have something similar anyway. Just arguments like "you did not contributed anything, so I, great and almighty, wont listen your stupid talks" - this is so... disappointing.
All I've done is give my view on things. Did you expect me to say "yes, I'm sorry you don't like the controls. I'll change them right away for you" just because someone didn't like them.
Why not add alternative scheme then? Anyway, as I told, you decide, what to do, I just thought, that creator want make his game to loved as much ppl as possible, so why not to tell programmer your thoughts about this particular thing?
Ok, tired and cranky, so feel free to ignore, disregard, whatever, but i've just sat and read for hours through old WoS posts that i'd missed (a fruitful way to spend a day off) and popped onto here... I don't contribute a great deal here nor to the community as a whole apart from the occasional witless comment, and some crap about a game, but I love this site, and i'm here practically every day to fill my tum with speccy goodness.
It just strikes me that, considering this game is FREE (which by no means implies quality, but, trust me - or don't - Dingo is excellently made and VERY professionally done, a great game) that Shadow is being f'ing ungrateful and unnecessarily picky. There's a simple solution to this whole issue. Don't f'ing play it! Leave the rest of us to enjoy the game and go find something else to whine about. Or go create a gaming masterpiece so that you're criticism might actually be justified. Either suits me.
Well done Sokurah, and dig the hidden nod to the Fabs ;)
Why not add alternative scheme then? Anyway, as I told, you decide, what to do, I just thought, that creator want make his game to loved as much ppl as possible, so why not to tell programmer your thoughts about this particular thing?
It's actually pretty simple - I already said that I might update my game.
And a quick look at my website will reveal that I've updated most of my games after the first release, so it's not completely unthinkable that I'll actually do it too.
However, it's only been a week since the game was released and I'm already working on something else that has a deadline, so it won't be anytime soon.
Just arguments like "you did not contributed anything, so I, great and almighty, wont listen your stupid talks" - this is so... disappointing.
Just keep in mind that it wasn't me who said that and that it was not aimed at anyone in this discussion. And nobody bloody said anything about "great and almighty" FFS.
I'm sorry if I keep going on about this, but I want to be understood correctly.
:lol: seriously I knew where it was, my IQ just drops sharply after midnight (and sometimes never recovers.) It's not like I thought the hidden reference was a yellow submarine minigame or a shoot-mark-graham-chapman operation wolf type level...
Shadow is being f'ing ungrateful and unnecessarily picky. There's a simple solution to this whole issue. Don't f'ing play it! Leave the rest of us to enjoy the game and go find something else to whine about. Or go create a gaming masterpiece so that you're criticism might actually be justified.
I already got the answer from author of the game, where he explained all. Dingo is good game, and i really did not expected, that a note about making it even more better (i think i am not alone with this movement thing), will get so much negative on my head. If game is free, it does not means "go and take what is there", i already explained that, and if author will do changes - thats fine, if not - thats ok too, as i completely understand that free time is limited and i did not pressed anyone to do something immediately etc. Btw i do not get why ppl on wos are so agressive about anything different from "wow great" opinion.
Once you get used to controlling the beast it's a little too easy we think
Just a little if at all. It's not like you can let your concentration lapse even when you are well trained at this game. That's the fun also, you can start trying to collect as many 3 pairs as possible, make risky manoeuvres, all of which make it more likely you will lose a life.
This game would be perfect for something like the Speccy Tour tournament, open ended & never boring.
Your attitude stank Shadow, that's all. If there are more people who find the controls a little off-putting and THEY voiced their opinions, chances are they'd do it in a way which seemed a hell of a lot less s***ty, and as Sokurah said, he may well update it anyway. It's not your opinion that was wrong, just the way you came across. Still, IMO you are being unnecessarily picky. Just MY opinion :)
Your attitude stank Shadow, that's all. If there are more people who find the controls a little off-putting and THEY voiced their opinions, chances are they'd do it in a way which seemed a hell of a lot less s***ty, and as Sokurah said, he may well update it anyway. It's not your opinion that was wrong, just the way you came across. Still, IMO you are being unnecessarily picky. Just MY opinion :)
To be honest Si, Shadow Makers sig tells you everything you need to know about him...
Oh come on people, why so many negative emotions? I knew clearly that Sokurah wasn't writing about me but about unfair comments about himself :) Well some people really could choose their words more carefully.
As for Shadow Maker, he didn't understand at some moment what's going on in the discussion but in my humble opinion he doesn't have any stinking attitude at all. He just says he doesn't like the movement. What's wrong with that?
As for his style that please remember he's not a native English speaker and when you talk a foreign language you are more straightforward as you don't know all these language forms. It was discussed on these forums beore
Please people, don't be fanboys. Don't treat any criticism of Dingo like a blasphemy and sacrillege. We all agree that it's a good game just some think that it could be improved.
Saying things like "Get lost and f.uck off if you don't like it" doesn't make any good, believe me. Let's have some respect for each other.
In his defense it's fairly obvious that English isn't his native language, and some of his eloquence may get lost in the translation.
I can see that Sokurah but as karingal said, his sig says it all. I'm sure plenty of people here don't have English as their native language, but the barrier isn't that big that they come across as being aggressive, so really he has no excuse. If you even have a limited grasp of a language, it's not that difficult to be nice!
Oh, and Ralf, it was just the way it came across, but yeah maybe it's time to drop it.
I can see that Sokurah but as karingal said, his sig says it all. I'm sure plenty of people here don't have English as their native language, but the barrier isn't that big that they come across as being aggressive, so really he has no excuse. If you even have a limited grasp of a language, it's not that difficult to be nice!
May I point to Arjun and Arda as two people whos 1st language is not English but still are always polite and non-aggressive.
May I point to Arjun and Arda as two people whos 1st language is not English but still are always polite and non-aggressive.
Well, there ya go. I'm sure Shadow is probably a decent guy (I do feel a tad guilty and hypocritical about my initial rant btw) my issue was just the way he came across. No need to keep going on about this though really.
If there are more people who find the controls a little off-putting and THEY voiced their opinions, chances are they'd do it in a way which seemed a hell of a lot less s***ty
I think I'd class myself as one of those who find certain of the controls a little off-putting and have said so openly several times, perhaps not as forthright as Shadow Maker did but along a similar vein. While I have had a pleasant discussion with Sokurah about this in another thread (where he freely admitted that this aspect does need a bit more work) the response from some of the fanboy supporters of this game towards me for having an opinion contrary to theirs is actually similar to what Shadow Maker received.
Not on the same scale of course, far from it, I haven't been sworn at or asked to justify my presence here yet but I can see why the response some of us have received from supporters of the game may prevent others from posting their less than positive views of it. Why voice an opinion if the response is going to be something like a sniping "Gotta love the Internet, every one is an expert"
Not liking a game and citing the reason "it's crap" is not a reason, it's an opinion. Not liking a game and citing the reason "aspects of the the control method are flawed" and then having the author agree with that is. You can contra-argue and say whatever you like and get someone to change their opinion but if there is an actual, solid reason you don't like something then that's not going to go away. Is it alright to say that, or am I just being "F*ing ungrateful" as TechnicianSi so eloquently puts it?
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The thread here is locked now, though.
Well, I'll let this thread be my answer. ;)
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Auto-correction on positioning would have made it easier, but then I don't necessarily want easy. What it is is fast and accurate - I certainly can't fault the collision detection. And it's wonderfully colourful.
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Anyway, seems you are not a person, who cares about other ppl opinion, even more - tries to make fun of it. Seems no point in continuing this discussion. Cheers.
I do and sometimes it's best to leave the past where it is...
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Well, I'm going to continue the discussion anyway, because believe it or not - that post had nothing to do with Ralf. I've been trying to find that little snippet of conversation for a while now - searched for it several times - and just found it and posted it because I thought it was a bit funny. It certainly wasn't me who started suggesting that if you hadn't contributed anything to the scene your opinion don't count for much.
Again, the timing had nothing to do with Ralf's post - you're imagining that. I cannot say this enough times.
But why do you think I don't care about other peoples opinions? All I've done is give my view on things. Did you expect me to say "yes, I'm sorry you don't like the controls. I'll change them right away for you" just because someone didn't like them.
Y'know - I never said I was done with it...I may still update it.
My games for the Spectrum: Dingo, The Speccies, The Speccies 2, Vallation, SQIJ.
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BTW, what timing? You imagined something yourself it seems? I spoke only about movement - Ralf explained this better in this post: http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/showpost.php?p=578465&postcount=56
My games for the Spectrum: Dingo, The Speccies, The Speccies 2, Vallation, SQIJ.
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It just strikes me that, considering this game is FREE (which by no means implies quality, but, trust me - or don't - Dingo is excellently made and VERY professionally done, a great game) that Shadow is being f'ing ungrateful and unnecessarily picky. There's a simple solution to this whole issue. Don't f'ing play it! Leave the rest of us to enjoy the game and go find something else to whine about. Or go create a gaming masterpiece so that you're criticism might actually be justified. Either suits me.
Well done Sokurah, and dig the hidden nod to the Fabs ;)
Apologies in advance...
Si
...not sure what you mean by "the hidden nod to the Fabs" though?
It's actually pretty simple - I already said that I might update my game.
And a quick look at my website will reveal that I've updated most of my games after the first release, so it's not completely unthinkable that I'll actually do it too.
However, it's only been a week since the game was released and I'm already working on something else that has a deadline, so it won't be anytime soon.
Just keep in mind that it wasn't me who said that and that it was not aimed at anyone in this discussion. And nobody bloody said anything about "great and almighty" FFS.
I'm sorry if I keep going on about this, but I want to be understood correctly.
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The Beatles reference on the title screen... or did i dream it...?
Thats what i meant :rolleyes:
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I thought you had done with this discussion?
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Just a little if at all. It's not like you can let your concentration lapse even when you are well trained at this game. That's the fun also, you can start trying to collect as many 3 pairs as possible, make risky manoeuvres, all of which make it more likely you will lose a life.
This game would be perfect for something like the Speccy Tour tournament, open ended & never boring.
In his defense it's fairly obvious that English isn't his native language, and some of his eloquence may get lost in the translation.
My games for the Spectrum: Dingo, The Speccies, The Speccies 2, Vallation, SQIJ.
Twitter: Sokurah
As for Shadow Maker, he didn't understand at some moment what's going on in the discussion but in my humble opinion he doesn't have any stinking attitude at all. He just says he doesn't like the movement. What's wrong with that?
As for his style that please remember he's not a native English speaker and when you talk a foreign language you are more straightforward as you don't know all these language forms. It was discussed on these forums beore
Please people, don't be fanboys. Don't treat any criticism of Dingo like a blasphemy and sacrillege. We all agree that it's a good game just some think that it could be improved.
Saying things like "Get lost and f.uck off if you don't like it" doesn't make any good, believe me. Let's have some respect for each other.
Oh, and Ralf, it was just the way it came across, but yeah maybe it's time to drop it.
Well, there ya go. I'm sure Shadow is probably a decent guy (I do feel a tad guilty and hypocritical about my initial rant btw) my issue was just the way he came across. No need to keep going on about this though really.
I think I'd class myself as one of those who find certain of the controls a little off-putting and have said so openly several times, perhaps not as forthright as Shadow Maker did but along a similar vein. While I have had a pleasant discussion with Sokurah about this in another thread (where he freely admitted that this aspect does need a bit more work) the response from some of the fanboy supporters of this game towards me for having an opinion contrary to theirs is actually similar to what Shadow Maker received.
Not on the same scale of course, far from it, I haven't been sworn at or asked to justify my presence here yet but I can see why the response some of us have received from supporters of the game may prevent others from posting their less than positive views of it. Why voice an opinion if the response is going to be something like a sniping "Gotta love the Internet, every one is an expert"
Not liking a game and citing the reason "it's crap" is not a reason, it's an opinion. Not liking a game and citing the reason "aspects of the the control method are flawed" and then having the author agree with that is. You can contra-argue and say whatever you like and get someone to change their opinion but if there is an actual, solid reason you don't like something then that's not going to go away. Is it alright to say that, or am I just being "F*ing ungrateful" as TechnicianSi so eloquently puts it?