K-spin... Loading from tape/MP3?

edited November 2011 in Emulators
Dunno if I'm posting this in the right section, but I have some old tapes I want to load via my PC's microphone socket.

Could I record the MP3 and do something with it?

I'm using K-spin emulator but cant get anywhere!
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  • edited November 2011
    You can record a .wav and either use that, or convert it to a format like .tzx

    The short answer re. mp3 is "no". Lossy compression designed for music is no good for storing speccy tapes, at least not with lots of tweaking of encoder settings.
  • edited November 2011
    guesser wrote: »
    You can record a .wav and either use that, or convert it to a format like .tzx

    The short answer re. mp3 is "no". Lossy compression designed for music is no good for storing speccy tapes, at least not with lots of tweaking of encoder settings.

    Actually you can use MP3s of Spectrum tape images to be stored on a multimedia reader or on your PC as a data source. WinTZX does an excellent job at this while keeping the process as simple as possible.

    However if you want to keep your data for storing I'd advice you to render them as WAV files and then decide if you want to simply store them as TZX files or converting them into MP3s, which you can do easily and succesfully with WinTZX.
  • edited November 2011
    Hmm... You'll have to forgive my ignorance here, I have K-spin emulator, windows sound recorder and an old walkman as the tape player.

    My idea was to play the tape into the PC and record the sound with 'windows sound recorder' which would save as a WMA file.

    Still a bit lost when it comes to TZX, 'tape images' and the like!

    I'll try 'Spectrum Tape Loader' program I've found, but I think I have to mess around with the sound card settings!
  • edited November 2011
    What is K-spin? It's not something I'm familiar with.

    If you have a sound card with a Line input (usually a blue socket on PCI cards) this is preferable to using the mic input (pink).

    I would also suggest downloading something like audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
    Windows sound recorder is rather basic and doesn't really let you see what you've recorded (for getting audio levels right etc)
  • edited November 2011
    Actually you can use MP3s of Spectrum tape images to be stored on a multimedia reader or on your PC as a data source. WinTZX does an excellent job at this while keeping the process as simple as possible.

    The point is that fiddling with mp3 encoding is something you do after you have a clean, preferably tzx-ed, recording of your tapes.

    Just like scanning documents, you might make a jpg or something once you've finished processing it, but you scan to a bmp or tiff :)
  • edited November 2011
    My apologies, the emulator is actually called ZX Spin! The icon has a 'K' on it for some reason.

    Gonna try the STL program, it seems to be doing the trick by converting the inputted sound to a TZX file which I can load with the ZX Spin prog hopefully...
  • edited November 2011
    Record your games to .wav 44100 kHz mono. Forget about other formats.

    Then install any major emulator like Spectaculator, Spin or SpecEmu.
    I also don't know what you call K-Spin.

    You can try to load your .wav into emulator. If the quality is okay it'll load. If it is not okay then either it needs filtering or nothing'll help it.

    Then use an utility called MakeTzx or Wav2Tzx to make a .tzx file. Tzx file works just like sound recording but it has 40 kilobytes and not 5 megabytes.
  • edited November 2011
    My apologies, the emulator is actually called ZX Spin! The icon has a 'K' on it for some reason.

    Heh, it's the "K" key on a rubber key 48k :)


    You can actually load into spin directly from the sound card input, though I don't imagine you really want to be using a real tape every time :)
  • edited November 2011
    I've just found 'real tape mode' which allows me to load through my sound card, I'll take a TZX snapshot when it's loaded.

    Only problem is my 1980's walkman is kicking up a lot of R:Tape loading errors!
  • edited November 2011
    I've just found 'real tape mode' which allows me to load through my sound card, I'll take a TZX snapshot when it's loaded.
    TZX is a tape image format, a snapshot would be a .sna, .z80 or .szx usually
    Only problem is my 1980's walkman is kicking up a lot of R:Tape loading errors!
    I did think that may be a problem.
  • edited November 2011
    Davey, and what are your games that you are trying to load?

    If you just want to play some games it would be much easier to download them in digital format from here, you know? ;)

    But if yo're really having fun with tape player and making copy of YOUR cassettes, that's a different matter :)
  • edited November 2011
    @ Guesser: Yeah .sna is the file type I'm saving to...

    @ Ralf: I'm trying to load up some games I made and saved back in the 90's, but tape quality and the cassette player leave a lot to be desired!
  • edited November 2011
    It sounds interesting. What kind of games were you writing?

    You know, people here are looking for a rare, missing and unpreserved games, unknown to a wider public.

    Maybe you'd like to loan the tape to our tzxing experts, so they could do the job? They'll give it back, I can promise :)
  • edited November 2011
    Yup, Andy Barker is the resident tape monkey...
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • edited November 2011
    One of the games was a Q-bert/Pippo type affair called 'Thunderturds' featuring a character called Scott Faecey soiling the bathroom tiles.

    Pretty BASIC, but it had a few machine code sub-routines.

    I have the original graphics somewhere, I'll have a go at recreating and post them here!
  • edited November 2011
    called 'Thunderturds' featuring a character called Scott Faecey soiling the bathroom tiles.
    <snip>
    I have the original graphics somewhere, I'll have a go at recreating and post them here!

    You know what, I'm not sure I'm interested any more ;)
  • edited November 2011
    Here's the central character LOL! :razz:

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  • edited November 2011
    If you won't be able to dump the games yourself and still want them to be preserved, don't hesitate to make a thread in MIA forum:

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11

    The proper guys may not notice our talking here :)
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