Agree about the money/champions league, but i do think we have a lot of very very talented players, more talented than in many past years. Problem is we dont seem to be able to find the best manager to be able to turn these multi millionaire playboys into a working team, its always individuals.
I quite agree. There are far too many fans IMO who are quick to spout the "we're not good enough" excuse when we have some very good players. It's a case of getting them to play to their strengths, in the correct positions. When that happens we'll be a match for anyone.
We're certainly not the only international team to suffer from it. Look at the Argentina squad who have some outstanding players.
I think he needed to resign if he feels so strongly about the subject that he is prepared to brief against his employers in the press. I certainly agree that John Terry is innocent until proven otherwise and one might argue that stripping him of the captaincy ahead of his trial could be considered unfair. However, it's also not fair that players are still the subject of racial abuse from crowds and their fellow professionals; it's not fair that Patrice Evra should be booed every time he touched the ball for complaining that he had been the subject of abuse; and if you want to get serious about it, it's not fair that Steven Lawrence's bother should have been groundlessly "stopped and searched" twenty times in the period it took the police to mount a successful prosecution against (some of) his brother's murderers. We still have a long way to go as society to address racial inequality and professional football is lagging behind (ethnic diversity among managers anyone?). So if John Terry's pride or Fabio Capello's ego suffer some collateral damage along the way, I'm not shedding any tears. Also, let's not forget that it was Terry's legal team who argued to have the case postponed until after the Euro Championships forcing the FA's hand in the process. He's had plenty of opportunity to stand-down as captain in a dignified manner, acknowledging the seriousness of the allegations whilst maintaining his innocence.
Yeah theres been some shameful episodes recently, I think Liverpool were terrible in the way they went OTT in their 'support' for Suarez and in the end he was found guilty, funny how they took off all those t shirts saying he wasnt a racist then !
'Some' of the fans are ridiculous, i mean doing monkey noises or other racist shouts, i mean they 'love' the black players on their team but think its fine to shout racist crap at rival black players ? Pathetic. Some fans just go totally OTT, theyre the ones to hate a rivals player but the second that player signs for their team they love him !
I do hope Terry is innocent BUT if found guilty i'll drop him like a hat, its one thing some yob in the crowd shouting stuff BUT if Terry did say that its terrible.
I remember all the Newcastle fans cheering/going crazy for Alan Shearer, the second he bombed as manager and they got relegated they went a bit quiet for him !
Difficult one, dont want the FA to listen to the fans but overall they havent done a great job picking a manager and seem to interfere constantly
I actually fail to see Capello's reasoning. He insists Terry is innocent until proven guilty and therefore should be retained as captain. This is untenable.
As a manager he must surely realise that the captain of a team (any team) should be someone who's authority and respect is beyond reproach. Putting the captain's armband on a player who has been tainted by not one but two or three incidents that have made the national paper for all the wrong reasons, sends the wrong message to players, fans and everyone else involved in the game.
If its all about authority and respect then most of the English team wouldnt be playing, granted hes not captain but Rooney and others have been involved with lots of big media stories in the past which dont help England chances before a game, should they also lose their spot ?
IF Terry is innocent i dont think its fair he loses his captain armband BEFORE the trial, if not a story could come up tomorrow about the next England captain, should they then remove his captains armband before discovering in court if hes innocent or not ?
Sadly its like most sports, the second a player is important or very good he'll get away with anything, I see it in american footy, a fringe player gets into trouble and they're 'cut' from the squad, a starting player does the same crime and hes kept around of course
I actually fail to see Capello's reasoning. He insists Terry is innocent until proven guilty and therefore should be retained as captain. This is untenable.
As a manager he must surely realise that the captain of a team (any team) should be someone who's authority and respect is beyond reproach. Putting the captain's armband on a player who has been tainted by not one but two or three incidents that have made the national paper for all the wrong reasons, sends the wrong message to players, fans and everyone else involved in the game.
I think it's more to do with the fact that the FA made the decision and told Capello afterwards.
Surely Capello should have been involved in the discussions before the decision was made. After all he is the manager and it's his team.
His authority had been undermined and the FA were not allowing him to do the job he was being paid for.
I think it's more to do with the fact that the FA made the decision and told Capello afterwards.
Surely Capello should have been involved in the discussions before the decision was made. After all he is the manager and it's his team.
His authority had been undermined and the FA were not allowing him to do the job he was being paid for.
Yep great point, should be up to the manager to decide stuff like this
as a manager he was "ok" seriously, look at who has been there before him.. His track record was decent enough previously.
A hight percentage of players are overpaid idiots regardless of club and how good they are.. some have got no common sense to keep their mouths shut or their actions muted .. I can list loads of incidents where members of the england side have become "villains" due to them. I'm sure you all can.
My friend would be gutted if Harry left spurs though .
Notice how certain players and their families are always in the tabloids for the wrong reasons, while others pretty much avoid it ? e.g. shoplifting , putting it about , crashing expensive cars, letting fireworks off INSIDE their house, are a few examples
they have money , a talent, but sod all sense
they should have taken terry to court ASAP, got it out of the way regardless of verdict and not faffed about.. simple as.
remember most football games now , the tech and audio is *VERY* good.. so it'd been that cut / dried.. did he or didn't he..
and tax payers are having to pay the bill for the case for these over paid pretty boys with big mouths.. sorry grates me..
If its all about authority and respect then most of the English team wouldnt be playing,
Oh, I think there's captain material in the team who will do *far* better than Terry and...
granted hes not captain but Rooney and others have been involved with lots of big media stories in the past
...Rooney isn't one of them. :P
IF Terry is innocent i dont think its fair he loses his captain armband BEFORE the trial
The reults of the trial are immaterial. It's like a McGuffin device in the movies - it's not important. No, really. A court verdict isn't going to change people's opinion about him or about what he may or may not have said.
The point is that Terry has been under the cloud in the past (beyond a shadow of doubt I might add), and this recent situation is threatening to drag not just him but the entire team into the ringside circus. I do believe the English team have enough on the their plate already, so why not get the captaincy issue out of the way and focus on more important things - like winning games. ;)
I agree with karingal that FA could have handled things better with regards to Cappello, but it's kind of ironic that he should feel "left out" considering it was him who restored Terry's captaincy without informing Ferdinand first, just a few months ago! Ferdinand must be pretty pleased at the turn of events - "just desserts", he must be thinking. :)
Well its funny about the timing, Rednapp gets cleared and then later that day Capello quits !
It would be interesting to see who will take over the Spurs if Harry leads the national team. I heard Mourinho is looking to come back to the premier league. I bet Harry, Fabio and Jose planned all this over a few beers! ;)
hasn't Terry already been in trouble for racism in the past - possibly more than once? or am I imagining it
He's been in trouble for most things including adultery, gambling, a drug dealing dad, a shop-lifting mum, sI it would surprise me.
Thats why I called him a walking car crash, totally unsuitable to be England captain, he's about as far away from Bobby Moore as you can get.
It would be interesting to see who will take over the Spurs if Harry leads the national team. I heard Mourinho is looking to come back to the premier league. I bet Harry, Fabio and Jose planned all this over a few beers! ;)
As much as I would be excited to see Jose in the Spurs dug-out, I would rather we found someone who's in it for the long haul. The two most successful clubs over the last 15 years haven't changed their manager once. I want someone who's going to build a dynasty.
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So the next England manager is likely to be a carbon based life form?
I quite agree. There are far too many fans IMO who are quick to spout the "we're not good enough" excuse when we have some very good players. It's a case of getting them to play to their strengths, in the correct positions. When that happens we'll be a match for anyone.
We're certainly not the only international team to suffer from it. Look at the Argentina squad who have some outstanding players.
'Some' of the fans are ridiculous, i mean doing monkey noises or other racist shouts, i mean they 'love' the black players on their team but think its fine to shout racist crap at rival black players ? Pathetic. Some fans just go totally OTT, theyre the ones to hate a rivals player but the second that player signs for their team they love him !
I do hope Terry is innocent BUT if found guilty i'll drop him like a hat, its one thing some yob in the crowd shouting stuff BUT if Terry did say that its terrible.
I remember all the Newcastle fans cheering/going crazy for Alan Shearer, the second he bombed as manager and they got relegated they went a bit quiet for him !
Difficult one, dont want the FA to listen to the fans but overall they havent done a great job picking a manager and seem to interfere constantly
As a manager he must surely realise that the captain of a team (any team) should be someone who's authority and respect is beyond reproach. Putting the captain's armband on a player who has been tainted by not one but two or three incidents that have made the national paper for all the wrong reasons, sends the wrong message to players, fans and everyone else involved in the game.
Bytes:Chuntey - Spectrum tech blog.
IF Terry is innocent i dont think its fair he loses his captain armband BEFORE the trial, if not a story could come up tomorrow about the next England captain, should they then remove his captains armband before discovering in court if hes innocent or not ?
Sadly its like most sports, the second a player is important or very good he'll get away with anything, I see it in american footy, a fringe player gets into trouble and they're 'cut' from the squad, a starting player does the same crime and hes kept around of course
Surely Capello should have been involved in the discussions before the decision was made. After all he is the manager and it's his team.
His authority had been undermined and the FA were not allowing him to do the job he was being paid for.
Yep great point, should be up to the manager to decide stuff like this
as a manager he was "ok" seriously, look at who has been there before him.. His track record was decent enough previously.
A hight percentage of players are overpaid idiots regardless of club and how good they are.. some have got no common sense to keep their mouths shut or their actions muted .. I can list loads of incidents where members of the england side have become "villains" due to them. I'm sure you all can.
My friend would be gutted if Harry left spurs though .
Notice how certain players and their families are always in the tabloids for the wrong reasons, while others pretty much avoid it ? e.g. shoplifting , putting it about , crashing expensive cars, letting fireworks off INSIDE their house, are a few examples
they have money , a talent, but sod all sense
they should have taken terry to court ASAP, got it out of the way regardless of verdict and not faffed about.. simple as.
remember most football games now , the tech and audio is *VERY* good.. so it'd been that cut / dried.. did he or didn't he..
and tax payers are having to pay the bill for the case for these over paid pretty boys with big mouths.. sorry grates me..
Oh, I think there's captain material in the team who will do *far* better than Terry and...
...Rooney isn't one of them. :P
The reults of the trial are immaterial. It's like a McGuffin device in the movies - it's not important. No, really. A court verdict isn't going to change people's opinion about him or about what he may or may not have said.
The point is that Terry has been under the cloud in the past (beyond a shadow of doubt I might add), and this recent situation is threatening to drag not just him but the entire team into the ringside circus. I do believe the English team have enough on the their plate already, so why not get the captaincy issue out of the way and focus on more important things - like winning games. ;)
I agree with karingal that FA could have handled things better with regards to Cappello, but it's kind of ironic that he should feel "left out" considering it was him who restored Terry's captaincy without informing Ferdinand first, just a few months ago! Ferdinand must be pretty pleased at the turn of events - "just desserts", he must be thinking. :)
Bytes:Chuntey - Spectrum tech blog.
It would be interesting to see who will take over the Spurs if Harry leads the national team. I heard Mourinho is looking to come back to the premier league. I bet Harry, Fabio and Jose planned all this over a few beers! ;)
Bytes:Chuntey - Spectrum tech blog.
Thats why I called him a walking car crash, totally unsuitable to be England captain, he's about as far away from Bobby Moore as you can get.
I'm certain he'll get asked and it'll be a difficult decision for him.
+1 for that :lol:
The same Alan Pardew who wouldn't play Tevez (and Mascherano come to think of it) at West Ham because he "didn't fit".
No need - we all know its going to be Smithy...