Time for higher dpi magazine scans?

edited March 2012 in Chit chat
I'm the current owner of an iPad 1, and bought at some time in the past, the Crash DVD (that was linked to via this site). The DVD contained scans of all the crash magazine pages that were hosted on WoS.

The iPad 1 had a resolution of 1024x768 and a 132 pixels per inch (ppi). I noticed that most crash magazine pages were not easily viewable without zooming and panning and scanning.

Equally, I realised, that upon zooming, that there were many JPEG artifacts in the source image and that the scans themselves were only done at around 120 ppi when most printed magazines (even in the 80s) - were printed at around 300 ppi.

So, my question is, with the release of the really high-res tablets (such as iPad 3 and upcoming Android tablets), might it not be time to scan these magazines in at the detail which they deserve?

Or perhaps they have already been scanned in at a higher detail and were scaled down for bandwidth reasons on WoS?

I know that in the case that rescans might be necessary, this is a terrible amount of work, but I would wager that in less than five years, high res affordable tablets will be everywhere and as this happens, it makes sense to get ahead of the curve and have higher ppi scans available.
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  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    Or perhaps they have already been scanned in at a higher detail and were scaled down for bandwidth reasons on WoS?

    I purchased the Crash scans off Mort and the resolutions are pretty much the same as those stored on WOS (if not identical).
  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    So, my question is, with the release of the really high-res tablets (such as iPad 3 and upcoming Android tablets), might it not be time to scan these magazines in at the detail which they deserve?

    Excellent! Let us know when you've finished, and how they look on your iPad 3!

    D.
  • edited March 2012
    Vampyre wrote: »
    I purchased the Crash scans off Mort and the resolutions are pretty much the same as those stored on WOS (if not identical).

    Yes, I'm referring to the WoS standard scan detail. For example, this page here:

    Example page

    The 'a' (as an example) in the "starts" in the top left of the page where the "Learic starts out" text is found bleeds into itself. You can barely see the dot in the middle of the a, and its blurry in general. This is a combination of low dpi scanning and JPEG artifacting.

    A more extreme example can be found on pages with smaller text such as this one (try to read the text under the large "ABC" text in the bottom left of the page (above above "cover by Oliver Frey"):

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/showmag.cgi?mag=Crash/Issue38/Pages/Crash3800003.jpg


    This is a two examples, but the smaller the text in the scan, the more difficult it is to read. Its the same effect as trying to read a full webpage on any smartphone without zooming in. It just needs more pixels to represent the detail.

    I know this may seem like cherry picking, and I love the scans for existing at all, I just think that if these scans are to be the archived master copy, then a higher quality is required or else detail will perhaps be lost forever.
  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    A more extreme example can be found on pages with smaller text such as this one (try to read the text under the large "ABC" text in the bottom left of the page (above above "cover by Oliver Frey"):

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/showmag.cgi?mag=Crash/Issue38/Pages/Crash3800003.jpg

    You're going blind. That's easily readable as "Member of the Audit Bureau of Circulations" ;-)

    D.
  • edited March 2012
    Dunny wrote: »
    You're going blind. That's easily readable as "Member of the Audit Bureau of Circulations" ;-)

    D.

    I can see it too but it is barely readable and requires work to see all the letters.
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    What size was it originally? It's tiny smallprint, I would expect it to be tiny and barely readable :)
  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    I can see it too but it is barely readable and requires work to see all the letters.

    Well, I could understand demanding someone else do a re-scan if all the articles are typeset in that font...

    D.
  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    ...Or perhaps they have already been scanned in at a higher detail and were scaled down for bandwidth reasons on WoS?...

    This sounds like a sensible starting point to ask, and I am curious myself.
  • edited March 2012
    If someone will scan magazines in higher resolution (or better in OCR'ed PDF and images, but it sounds too fantastic) it will be much appreciated (at least by me for sure).
  • edited March 2012
    Ah. Good old Crash. My dad threw away my collection(1 - 87ish) :mad:
    I downloaded all the scans from WoS(staying within the limits of course - it took a while).
    Higher quality ones would be great if someone has a complete collection and could do it I'd certainly pay for a DVD of them.
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  • edited March 2012
    Nice of people to keep asking for 30,000 pages to be re-scanned without actually offering to buy the mags, the average of 3 scanners, and the time to do it themselves.....

    I'd suggest making use of what is there unless you are prepared to put the effort in - which is what Mort did in the first place...
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  • edited March 2012
    Dunny wrote: »
    Excellent! Let us know when you've finished, and how they look on your iPad 3!

    D.
    aye that
    fogartylee wrote: »
    Nice of people to keep asking for 30,000 pages to be re-scanned without actually offering to buy the mags, the average of 3 scanners, and the time to do it themselves.....

    I'd suggest making use of what is there unless you are prepared to put the effort in - which is what Mort did in the first place...

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  • edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    Nice of people to keep asking for 30,000 pages to be re-scanned without actually offering to buy the mags, the average of 3 scanners, and the time to do it themselves.....

    I'd suggest making use of what is there unless you are prepared to put the effort in - which is what Mort did in the first place...

    Good point - it's a whopping ask alright.
    I won't be doing that however as I'm too annoyed at the fact that I had them....and now I don't. Grrrr. I'm not going to try and re-buy them all.

    The existing scans are fine anyway - I've printed a few of them and they came out OK. Better than reading on screen(until colour e-ink is affordable).

    Big thanks to Mort for these scans too. They helped soften the blow considerably.
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  • edited March 2012
    I think our hospital might do it, they are asking for volunteers to raise money for a new scanner.
  • edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    Nice of people to keep asking for 30,000 pages to be re-scanned without actually offering to buy the mags, the average of 3 scanners, and the time to do it themselves.....

    I'd suggest making use of what is there unless you are prepared to put the effort in - which is what Mort did in the first place...

    The key point in this is that the high quality scans might already exist which in that case would mean just doing one batch conversion to a new DPI and one batch upload.

    Yes, its a lot of work to do it, and beyond the work of any individual, I was just raising the point that the existing scans, whilst great to have online access to, are not at a high enough detail to replace the paper version.
  • edited March 2012
    You would need to get onto Mort then :)

    He doesn't hang around here much, but you could try some of the commode sites?

    I doubt there is any hope that he did scan them at higher quality though..
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  • edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    You would need to get onto Mort then :)

    He doesn't hang around here much, but you could try some of the commode sites?

    I doubt there is any hope that he did scan them at higher quality though..

    I've just dropped him a mail. It helps that I already bought the DVDs.
  • edited March 2012
    Right, I scanned two pages out of a more recent crash magazine so that the difference can be seen. The file size is larger, but this is an unavoidable tradeoff, and its less than a megabyte a page.

    Page 4, issue 93:

    WoS Quality, Proposed Quality

    Page 30, Issue 93:

    WoS Quality, Proposed Quality


    I'll try to post an embed of a side by side magnification later.
  • edited March 2012
    takapa wrote: »
    I can see it too but it is barely readable and requires work to see all the letters.

    Eh? looks find to me...maybe get some glasses?
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