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What recession?

Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
edited March 2012 in Chit chat
I've written some software to help people manage their websites & content... Which is all well & good, but there is a recession on, so who is going to pay to use it?

Well, it launched a few months ago, and I have a client.
Last week, I was offered ?250pw by a design agency wanting to put their new clients on the system - that rental figure will go up as they add more sites.

Today, I have been offered ?300pw from another agency to do the same.

So, if there is a recession, where are the designers getting their clients from?
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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    I've written some software to help people manage their websites & content... Which is all well & good, but there is a recession on, so who is going to pay to use it?

    Well, it launched a few months ago, and I have a client.
    Last week, I was offered ?250pw by a design agency wanting to put their new clients on the system - that rental figure will go up as they add more sites.

    Today, I have been offered ?300pw from another agency to do the same.

    So, if there is a recession, where are the designers getting their clients from?
    Good to see you're keeping your head above water...
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  • thx1138thx1138
    edited March 2012
    lend us a fiver money bags
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    thx1138 wrote: »
    lend us a fiver money bags


    haha - I wish!
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    Although.......

    One of the clients has started a part time business with the software - he gets or designs templates (there are loads of free ones) and I convert them to work with the software.... and he is the 2nd one I have helped set up in business... the first one I helped is currently doing a site for Peter Jones (well, someone off dragons den anyway lol)

    *Anyone* can do it - I got no problem doing mates rates if anyone here is interested in a bit of side cash?
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  • Shaun.BebbingtonShaun.Bebbington
    edited March 2012
    There doesn't seem to be a recession in IT/Tech, but in things like retail, hospitality and other jobs that perhaps are 'lower-skilled' or more manual.

    Regards,

    Shaun.
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    Shaun.Bebbington wrote: »
    There doesn't seem to be a recession in IT/Tech, but in things like retail, hospitality and other jobs that perhaps are 'lower-skilled' or more manual.

    Regards,

    Shaun.


    It could be that people being paid off with redundancy are taking the opportunity to start their own business? In which case it will be a short burst of work, then the businesses that work will stick around...
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  • Shaun.BebbingtonShaun.Bebbington
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    It could be that people being paid off with redundancy are taking the opportunity to start their own business? In which case it will be a short burst of work, then the businesses that work will stick around...
    Maybe, but according to the surveys that I've seen, more tech (IT) firms are looking to hire as many or more people this year than they did less year. I think it was something like 56% of companies surveyed want to hire more people [than last year], 18% said they wanted to hire as many, and the rest were looking to hire fewer or just didn't know, which implies growth in the sector.

    Compare that to the amount of retailers, pubs and so on closing down.

    Regards,

    Shaun.
  • bobsbobs
    edited March 2012
    The high street is closing down, we're all spending more time online, so we need more ways to spend time on it.
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    bobs wrote: »
    The high street is closing down, we're all spending more time online, so we need more ways to spend time on it.

    Well, I did predict the death of the high street 15yrs ago lol...

    So, if my prediction is correct, the high street will bounce back, but will be more sociable with cafe's, bowling alleys, etc.. Charity shops will do quite well too :)

    I also predicted the death of FLASH *many* years ago - I'm on a roll this year lol
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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    Well, I did predict the death of the high street 15yrs ago lol...

    So, if my prediction is correct, the high street will bounce back, but will be more sociable with cafe's, bowling alleys, etc.. Charity shops will do quite well too :)

    I also predicted the death of FLASH *many* years ago - I'm on a roll this year lol
    Ok, this sounds like fun...

    I predict the death of Michael Barrymore...
    I wanna tell you a story 'bout a woman I know...
  • thx1138thx1138
    edited March 2012
    I saw a mouse in the early 80s and said they'd never catch on.
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    Ok, this sounds like fun...

    I predict the death of Michael Barrymore...

    Ok, but forcing it to happen is cheating!
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    thx1138 wrote: »
    I saw a mouse in the early 80s and said they'd never catch on.

    I can see them being quite handy...
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  • rich_chandlerrich_chandler
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    Ok, but forcing it to happen is cheating!
    But will improvement my popularity rating...
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  • dm_boozefreekdm_boozefreek
    edited March 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    But will improvement my popularity rating...

    Especially if you drown him in his own swimming pool...

    *Note thumbing cocaine up his arse beforehand is optional :D
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  • Matt_BMatt_B
    edited March 2012
    There are always going to be businesses that are getting more successful and others less so. A recession doesn't mean they're all like the latter, just that there are more of them than the former.
  • Scottie_ukScottie_uk
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    I also predicted the death of FLASH *many* years ago - I'm on a roll this year lol

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  • Matt_BMatt_B
    edited March 2012
    Flash certainly isn't dead. It'll just go back to being the animation tool that it was originally, and still does a good job at, and other standards will take up the job of streaming video.
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    Matt_B wrote: »
    Flash certainly isn't dead. It'll just go back to being the animation tool that it was originally, and still does a good job at, and other standards will take up the job of streaming video.

    Really? According to Adobes VP:-
    ?We will continue to leverage our experience with Flash to accelerate our work with the W3C and WebKit to bring similar capabilities to HTML5 as quickly as possible, just as we have done with CSS Shaders. And, we will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to HTML5 as the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their skills will continue to be leveraged.?

    Bearing in mind that more and more people are using Apple products to view websites, and they don't and never will support Flash, it was going to happen anyway.

    Most things done in Flash can be done in HTML/JS, and be SEO friendly.

    My guess is that in the coming 12-18 months, Adobe will announce legacy support for Flash, but no further development.
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  • psj3809psj3809
    edited March 2012
    Flash is still a very popular tool, the Adobe tool i use, used to output to swf only but now all the latest updates are for HTML5. So Flash etc will still be used worldwide as a tool, but just the output will be changed.

    Flash will still remain very popular and is used everywhere in online training. Already talking to one of the big bods at Adobe about their future releases for Flash and their other products. Flash wont be going anywhere
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Flash is still a very popular tool, the Adobe tool i use, used to output to swf only but now all the latest updates are for HTML5. So Flash etc will still be used worldwide as a tool, but just the output will be changed.

    Flash will still remain very popular and is used everywhere in online training. Already talking to one of the big bods at Adobe about their future releases for Flash and their other products. Flash wont be going anywhere

    Duh - if the output is HTML5 then it's not flash is it?
    Adobe are basically trying to remove the flash output from their tools, whilst keeping the user base.
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  • STeaMSTeaM
    edited March 2012
    Can we get this thread back on topic please?

    I want to know how I can make shed loads of money and work for myself!

    :smile:
  • psj3809psj3809
    edited March 2012
    Theres no 'duh' ! Just people are getting confused.

    Flash as a tool will still be used for animation/courses, just the output which was 'Flash' .swf's wont be. It'll be HTML5.

    So 'Flash swf' files on the web will start to disappear, but Flash as a tool will still be popular as anything. When people talk about Flash i think about the tool, not the output.

    It'll be fine though, we've still got lots of Flash work coming in, some clients want it for HTML5, if its internal theyre fine with swf's still.
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    The creative suite will still be around yes -but that's not flash, and the flash elements are being depreciated.
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    STeaM wrote: »
    Can we get this thread back on topic please?

    I want to know how I can make shed loads of money and work for myself!

    :smile:

    Work hard & be good at what you do lol.

    If you're really interested, PM me...
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  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    psj3809 wrote: »
    Theres no 'duh' ! Just people are getting confused.

    Flash as a tool will still be used for animation/courses, just the output which was 'Flash' .swf's wont be. It'll be HTML5.

    So 'Flash swf' files on the web will start to disappear, but Flash as a tool will still be popular as anything. When people talk about Flash i think about the tool, not the output.

    It'll be fine though, we've still got lots of Flash work coming in, some clients want it for HTML5, if its internal theyre fine with swf's still.


    ...and.... if the output is HTML, then what is the point in paying stupid money for software, when the code can be hand written & done properly?

    I never saw the point in dreamweaver or frontpage though so that is probably just me lol
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  • psj3809psj3809
    edited March 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    ...and.... if the output is HTML, then what is the point in paying stupid money for software, when the code can be hand written & done properly?

    I never saw the point in dreamweaver or frontpage though so that is probably just me lol

    Some Flash courses are very complex, its not just a case of animating a graphic from point a to point b. The 'stupid money' for the software is actually very cheap and its often far cheaper using internal flash guys then any external contractors (Flash or HTML5 experts)

    I used Dreamweaver for a long time, for what i needed to use it for it was far cheaper than getting a geeky clever coder in and far easier for someone to take it over/update it after i moved onto another project.

    I still had the odd HTML geek at work telling me he could write that course in 1000 lines etc, sure you could but often its about time/money.

    Plus often the customer then updates the course themselves and are very happy to do that in one of the 'popular' tools rather then train someone up or use a contractor. If i told them 'heres the code, you'll need to hire a contractor or train someone up' rather than 'use the ?300 Dreamweaver program you've already got which you know how to use....' then they wouldnt give us the work in the first place !

    Most of the big training companies use these tools rather than handwritten code. Just much quicker. I've heard HTML geeks moan about the code Dreamweaver creates, the customer doesnt care as they get the course quicker/cheaper and can update it themselves easier.
  • milemile
    edited March 2012
    STeaM wrote: »
    Can we get this thread back on topic please?

    I want to know how I can make shed loads of money and work for myself!

    :smile:

    you could sell heroin, with its adictive nature, it practically sells itself!!
  • Lee FogartyLee Fogarty
    edited March 2012
    I don't think I have ever written anything that can't be edited in dreamweaver!

    Wouldn't your customer benefit from being able to edit courses without using software? You could easily add a course management suite to your product so they can manage it online.

    I *bet* you I could take one of your flash files & produce a HTML version, with course management built in....
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  • martynneillsonmartynneillson
    edited March 2012
    Surf the web for some games with a common thread (say, Pac-man or Space Invaders), stick them on a CD, package it in a nice oversized DVD case with a nice colour picture, stick it on eBay at an impulse price (under 10 quid) and voila!!!

    Money for old rope.

    Note that the games DO NOT have to be written by you. Just always remember to "acknowledge the trademarks"
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