To take down another item from the to-do list, we're now also trying to catalogue all titles inspired by a fairytale (when they are not already officially licenced to a movie, etc).
Jack and the Beanstalk.
Kolobok (both versions).
Kolobok Zoom.
Kolobok Zoom 2.
Hansel and Gretel.
The Dizzy games.
Willow Pattern (although this is more of a folktale than a fairytale?).
Erm? I've run dry? I'm sure I could've thought of more off the top of my head, but no I'm drawing a blank right now :???:
EDIT: Seeing as Ralf replied with Dizzy as well, at a thought would Dizzy and Treasure Island Dizzy not be included? From Fantasy World Dizzy onwards there's loads of fairytale references, maybe the first game has some but it seems to be the generic evil wizard plot, and Treasure Island Dizzy doesn't really have any fairytale stuff in it really?
That reminds me. I was going to ask: shouldn't inspired by have a specific category for parodies?
The Boggit -- The Hobbit
Dennis Through the Drinking Glass -- Alice Through the Looking Glass (not currently listed in that entry btw).
A parody is inspired by an existing thing, so the current way of listing the existing thing as the inspiration should do, I think?
I must say I never heard of "Alice Through the Looking Glass". Could you please fill me in which one this would be it, as there are quite a few results in Google for this query...
Uhhm this one is hard, because there might be a lot of interpretations...
whats the definition of a fairy tale, so we are sure it will be include in the game?
I would say the official definition of the term? I specifically chose not to include an author/publisher name for those as they are folk stories that may at one point have been collected (e.g. the Grimm Brothers), but they didn't originally create them.
Thinking further about this, I think the inspiration should come from a tale, not a single character from a certain tale, as that would constitute a feature (different field) instead of an inspiration.
As such, Kolobok and Dizzy should not be among them.
A parody is inspired by an existing thing, so the current way of listing the existing thing as the inspiration should do, I think?
I suppose so, although it's probably worth mentioning that it's a parody in the notes. Running Man is inspired by Le Prix du Danger, but Space Balls is a parody of Star Wars.
I must say I never heard of "Alice Through the Looking Glass". Could you please fill me in which one this would be it, as there are quite a few results in Google for this query...
You should switch to DuckDuckGo. :) It's the sequel to Alice in Wonderland. Although the original title is "Through the Looking Glass, And What Alice Found There." I've seen it as "Alice Through the Looking Glass" in at least one edition which also contained "Alice in Wonderland".
I have thought about it a bit and if I could suggest:
- Fairytale is a fantasy story with a source in a local folk tradition
- Fantasy stories created commercially by a known author in recent years (Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Dracula, Frankenstein, Gummi Bears etc.) aren't fairytales
- a game is based on a fairytale if its entire story is based on it. Dizzy has elements borrowed from many fairytales (like a giant beanstalk in one of parts) but its a new story
- now we already have the category "Ancient Mythology" which could overlap with fairytales. What's the difference here?
Thinking further about this, I think the inspiration should come from a tale, not a single character from a certain tale, as that would constitute a feature (different field) instead of an inspiration.
As such, Kolobok and Dizzy should not be among them.
One of the Dizzy games (can't remember which...Prince Of the Yolkfolk maybe?) has lots of references to various different fairy tales...in fact lots of different fairy tale themes feature quite heavily in all of them...Beanstalks, Sleeping Beauty,etc.....
Unless of course you mean that the inspiration should come from a single tale? Like say for instance, Jack & The Beanstalk is obviously just influenced by the one story...Jack and the Beanstalk! :)
I have thought about it a bit and if I could suggest:
- Fairytale is a fantasy story with a source in a local folk tradition
- Fantasy stories created commercially by a known author in recent years (Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Dracula, Frankenstein, Gummi Bears etc.) aren't fairytales
- a game is based on a fairytale if its entire story is based on it. Dizzy has elements borrowed from many fairytales (like a giant beanstalk in one of parts) but its a new story
Yes, precisely what I have in mind; a fairy tale inspiration should have the same full scope as a film, book or coin-op inspiration.
- now we already have the category "Ancient Mythology" which could overlap with fairytales. What's the difference here?
Ancient Mythology is a feature, not an inspiration (different field), so they could both live together (although Mythology is usually about ancient gods, which don't usually appear in fairy tales).
What about The Snow Queen which is from the book of the same name by Hans Christian Andersen?
In this case, if it's based on an specific book instead of the generic fairy tale (fairy tales are always generic!), would it not be better to credit the specific book instead?
Comments
The Boggit -- The Hobbit
Dennis Through the Drinking Glass -- Alice Through the Looking Glass (not currently listed in that entry btw).
whats the definition of a fairy tale, so we are sure it will be include in the game?
Is Jack and the Beanstalk inspired by a fairytale? I suppose, yes.
But is Dizzy inspired by a fairytale? I'm not sure what to do with it.
Kolobok (both versions).
Kolobok Zoom.
Kolobok Zoom 2.
Hansel and Gretel.
The Dizzy games.
Willow Pattern (although this is more of a folktale than a fairytale?).
Erm? I've run dry? I'm sure I could've thought of more off the top of my head, but no I'm drawing a blank right now :???:
EDIT: Seeing as Ralf replied with Dizzy as well, at a thought would Dizzy and Treasure Island Dizzy not be included? From Fantasy World Dizzy onwards there's loads of fairytale references, maybe the first game has some but it seems to be the generic evil wizard plot, and Treasure Island Dizzy doesn't really have any fairytale stuff in it really?
A parody is inspired by an existing thing, so the current way of listing the existing thing as the inspiration should do, I think?
I must say I never heard of "Alice Through the Looking Glass". Could you please fill me in which one this would be it, as there are quite a few results in Google for this query...
I would say the official definition of the term? I specifically chose not to include an author/publisher name for those as they are folk stories that may at one point have been collected (e.g. the Grimm Brothers), but they didn't originally create them.
As such, Kolobok and Dizzy should not be among them.
You should switch to DuckDuckGo. :) It's the sequel to Alice in Wonderland. Although the original title is "Through the Looking Glass, And What Alice Found There." I've seen it as "Alice Through the Looking Glass" in at least one edition which also contained "Alice in Wonderland".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass
- Fairytale is a fantasy story with a source in a local folk tradition
- Fantasy stories created commercially by a known author in recent years (Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Dracula, Frankenstein, Gummi Bears etc.) aren't fairytales
- a game is based on a fairytale if its entire story is based on it. Dizzy has elements borrowed from many fairytales (like a giant beanstalk in one of parts) but its a new story
- now we already have the category "Ancient Mythology" which could overlap with fairytales. What's the difference here?
One of the Dizzy games (can't remember which...Prince Of the Yolkfolk maybe?) has lots of references to various different fairy tales...in fact lots of different fairy tale themes feature quite heavily in all of them...Beanstalks, Sleeping Beauty,etc.....
Unless of course you mean that the inspiration should come from a single tale? Like say for instance, Jack & The Beanstalk is obviously just influenced by the one story...Jack and the Beanstalk! :)
Would Oli and Lissa count?
In the end that we will have only 10 games or so not controversially inspired by fairytales.
or did i misunderstand the topic...........
btw, his name should have an 'e' at the end of his surname rather than an 'o' in the archive entry :)
Okay, so I added a feature (not a category) 'Parody', which can go along with licences and inspirations as it's a different field.
Yes, precisely what I have in mind; a fairy tale inspiration should have the same full scope as a film, book or coin-op inspiration.
Ancient Mythology is a feature, not an inspiration (different field), so they could both live together (although Mythology is usually about ancient gods, which don't usually appear in fairy tales).
Again, features and inspiration are different fields...
There would be no shame in that at all. The fairy tale inspiration was only added because there was a clear demand for it.
Quite right, this one has been updated to suit!