entrepreneur

edited November 2012 in Chit chat
Entrepreneur, if I hear this word one more time I think I'm going to scream. I'm beginning to really hate this over used word.
  • So many arrogant wanabes calling themselves entrepreneurs just because they built a mobile phone app (or are planning too),
  • So many media articles designed to make you feel inadequate because you are not an entrepreneur, that by not doing so one is missing the boat, and in not doing so one feels they are lazy and unfulfilled.
  • So many ill thought out waste of money initiatives aimed at turning numpties with ill thought out ideas into entrepreneurs.

Currently, I hate the word Entrepreneur and all the aspirational arrogance that goes with it. Pah! :-x
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  • zx1zx1
    edited November 2012
    When i grew up i wanted to be an entrepreneur........oh bugger!:grin:
    *gets coat*
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  • fogfog
    edited November 2012
    there can only be one...

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  • edited November 2012
    'the problem with the french, is that they have no word for entrepreneur'
    George W Bush






    (didn't actually say it)
  • edited November 2012
    Strictly-speaking it means "risk-taker", someone who throws their lot in with an idea on the basis that it will sink or swim. Someone who takes ?10,000 in savings and invests it all in an untested new business, for example, is an entrepreneur.

    Somewhere along the line it's come to mean anyone running a non-state owned business with the intention of making money. We already have a word for this - "businessperson". I'm guessing that people have latched-onto entrepreneur because they think it makes them sound dynamic and sexy. "Businessperson" sounds dusty and staid, someone in a bowler hat who's little more than a glorified bean-counter; someone managerial. Ultimately, though, that description tends to be the most apt.
  • edited November 2012
    Zagreb wrote: »
    Strictly-speaking it means "risk-taker", someone who throws their lot in with an idea on the basis that it will sink or swim. Someone who takes ?10,000 in savings and invests it all in an untested new business, for example, is an entrepreneur.

    Somewhere along the line it's come to mean anyone running a non-state owned business with the intention of making money. We already have a word for this - "businessperson". I'm guessing that people have latched-onto entrepreneur because they think it makes them sound dynamic and sexy. "Businessperson" sounds dusty and staid, someone in a bowler hat who's little more than a glorified bean-counter; someone managerial. Ultimately, though, that description tends to be the most apt.

    Great post. :)
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  • fogfog
    edited November 2012
    did this trigger the thread ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D%27Aloisio

    he was doing a radio interview , thats how I knew
  • edited November 2012
    fog wrote: »
    did this trigger the thread ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D%27Aloisio

    he was doing a radio interview , thats how I knew

    That's just one of many. Although good on that lad for having the drive and energy not only to build a respectable app, but better still for marketing and presenting it to a standard way above his years. One thing I have learnt is that good marketing, and unfaltering confidence in the way the product is presented can turn a mediocre idea into a success.

    However, the day I started this thread I had just seen one to many aspiring, arrogant individuals with not much to bring to the table. I had also read and heard on the radio one to many articles about entrepreneurship, only to come home turn on the telly and see those rude and arrogant investors on Dragon's Den.
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  • fogfog
    edited November 2012
    a lot of dragons den is bravado for tv.. or stereo typing.. e.g.. theo will always ask how they started /background 90% of the time. if people go on there and try to mug them off.. then they get treated that way some of the time

    business is like that though at times, if you have worked somewhere a bit cut throat (e.g. commission) you get to see a nasty side of folk.
  • edited November 2012
    In the 80's the word meant something along the lines of "making money doing the thing you are good at your own way".
    The goal for many back then was being self employed. Lots of people borrowed money which was cheap at the time, then the interest rates rose and many lenders simply asked for their money back.

    I agree that the word is being branded around a lot at the moment, but perhaps the purpose is to kickstart the "ideas into a business process". If it takes one person off the dole then that reduces outgoings from the state.

    Most start ups will fail within a year, if you are self employed and it fails, you won't be able to claim any benefits for 6 months (I think!).
  • edited November 2012
    Spex wrote: »
    Most start ups will fail within a year, if you are self employed and it fails, you won't be able to claim any benefits for 6 months (I think!).

    Wrong.

    If you are self employed, you can still claim and declare anything you earn - you are allowed to keep ?15pw and the rest is taken off your JSA.
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  • edited November 2012
    That is true but once you start working over 16 hours a week, you have to sign off. If you get no work the next week you can do a rapid reclaim. Don't know how long the time limit is for this.
    What I was saying is that if you declare yourself self employed to the tax man, if it all goes belly up, then its no JSA for 6 months. On the other hand, you will have enjoyed a very low rate of income tax during the period you were making money.
  • edited November 2012
    Spex wrote: »
    That is true but once you start working over 16 hours a week, you have to sign off. If you get no work the next week you can do a rapid reclaim. Don't know how long the time limit is for this.
    What I was saying is that if you declare yourself self employed to the tax man, if it all goes belly up, then its no JSA for 6 months. On the other hand, you will have enjoyed a very low rate of income tax during the period you were making money.


    When you go over 16hrs a week, you can claim working tax credits..

    If you get no work, you are back down on your hours, so go back to the JSA - there is no 6 month limit.

    You won't get contribution based JSA though because you haven't been paying class 1 national insurance.
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  • edited November 2012
    The rules are very complicated and change all the time, but there is a limit on a rapid reclaim.

    Isn't working tax credit for people working more than 30 hours?

    Anyway, surely the whole point of being an entrepreneur is that you make your own way? And hopefully make more than ?15 a week!
  • edited November 2012
    Spex wrote: »

    Anyway, surely the whole point of being an entrepreneur is that you make your own way? And hopefully make more than ?15 a week!

    yeah being a paper boy isn't proper work. :p
  • fogfog
    edited November 2012
    I used to do that.. the free paper though, a mate used to dump them in the alleyway near his house.. worked for a few weeks till people started moaning about getting no papers
  • edited November 2012
    Spex wrote: »
    Isn't working tax credit for people working more than 30 hours?

    For lone parents and people over a certain age (50, I think, but I'm not sure) it's 16 hours, for most others it's 30 hours.
  • edited November 2012
    all this benefits discussion is doing my head in... bah!!
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