Has the tower PC it's day?

zx1zx1
edited January 2013 in Chit chat
I was watching Click on BBC News the other day and it suggested that due to laptop and tablet sales rising steadily and traditional desktop/tower PC sales have been falling for the last few years they said that tower PC's are on the road out.
I don't think this is totally accurate but what do other wossers think?
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  • edited December 2012
    Yes. By a long, long way. The last vestige of the traditional "desktop" PC in offices is even disappearing in favour of all-in-one PC/Monitor combos.
  • edited December 2012
    The only real purpose towers are going to serve over the next few years is what they were designed for initially - computing power for graphics/design/music

    The general user is going towards tablets/mobiles
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  • edited December 2012
    AndyC wrote: »
    Yes. By a long, long way. The last vestige of the traditional "desktop" PC in offices is even disappearing in favour of all-in-one PC/Monitor combos.

    Out of the last ~1000 machines we have installed in about the last 12 months about 850 - 900 would be desktops with the rest being laptops. A few posing managers have got iPads but they don't do any work so I don't count those. The only PC/Monitor combos we have are a few specials which are touchscreens used for one particular piece of software.

    The biggest difference for us is the use of wireless which is mostly because of the hassle of installing hardwire solutions.
  • edited December 2012
    How the hell do you fit a cpu cooler or graphics card in a laptop/tablet/etc? Where do the hard drives go? The "solution" has always been the same for laptops: cripple their performance so that they don't use the battery up in ten minutes or melt.

    I just upgraded my PC and as usual had a hard time cramming all the hardware into my tower. I don't consider it an excessive amount: 1 SSD, 2 rotating rust drives, a moderately powerful graphics card, a tv tuner card, and an optical drive (I'm aware that is "obsolete" but I don't know of any other way to turn a polycarbonate donut into bytes)

    Thin clients connected to a private "cloud" are a great idea for office workers* and a glorified tv is perfect for people who just want to watch cats on youtube.

    Just because more tablets or thin clients etc are being sold doesn't mean that the people who needed a PC ten years ago can magically manage without one now though.

    *They used to be called terminals and connected to the company mainframe...
  • edited December 2012
    I recently upgraded my home computer and considered a "gaming laptop" because desktop towers are "obsolete" and space-hungry. I eventually opted for an "obsolete" tower because it delivered much more power at a much, much lower price and I'm unlikely to use the home PC anywhere other than the desk. Tablets are nice, especially now Apple's grip is loosening, but for computing on the move my two-year-old netbook still does everything I need.

    People who used to buy laptops around a decade ago are now moving to tablet computers; people who still use towers are, I think, the sort of people who are the only ones who had home computers ~20 years ago. What I think is that home computer ownership is changing. Around a decade ago there was a huge upsurge in PC ownership because of the internet; this quickly moved from towers to laptops and is now moving from laptops to tablets. The desktop PC is basically just reverting back to what it was before - the choice of a sizeable minority.
  • edited December 2012
    Zagreb wrote: »
    People who used to buy laptops around a decade ago are now moving to tablet computers; people who still use towers are, I think, the sort of people who are the only ones who had home computers ~20 years ago. What I think is that home computer ownership is changing. Around a decade ago there was a huge upsurge in PC ownership because of the internet; this quickly moved from towers to laptops and is now moving from laptops to tablets. The desktop PC is basically just reverting back to what it was before - the choice of a sizeable minority.

    Eggzackly!

    People bought a general purpose computing device because that was all there was on the market and they wanted to be able to get on the internet and do word processing etc. Now that there are consumer appliances which do those things without all the baggage of a "real" computer they won't need one any more.

    I think it's a good thing in a way that all the "normal people" are buying their locked down devices that do everything online etc as I've had plenty of experience undoing the damage that the alternative causes (giving someone with no interest in maintaining a computer a PC connected to the internet is like giving someone with no driving license the keys to a JCB and putting them in the middle of a busy city).
    Giving people a tablet that only runs signed code and lives in its own little walled garden is great cause it means they can't do any damage...

    It comes with a big proviso though! Don't take general purpose computing away from the people who actually NEED it!
    Someone has to design the hardware that goes in these tablets, and write the operating systems and applications for them. Someone has to write the servers that their "cloud apps" run on, and someone has to mix the music and edit the movies so that people have something to watch on their little toy computers.
  • edited December 2012
    I like my desktop PC, and I'll be sad if they are phased out like everything else the masses don't want anymore. When my new PC finally dies a death I want to be able to get another desktop and not be forced to choose between a laptop, or an uglier more modernised take on something like one of those horrible i-MAC things. I don't like tablets for internetty surfy type stuff, they're more of a big boys toy to me, for games and silly apps like virtual guitar and bass.

    I don't even use my i-Phone for the internet anymore, I preferred my droid, it seemed a lot more practical for some reason. I'll use it to read WOS every now and then on my break at work, but I can't even be bothered to sign in anymore, I just wait til' I get home now.

    Booo!
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  • edited December 2012
    I like my desktop PC, and I'll be sad if they are phased out like everything else the masses don't want anymore. When my new PC finally dies a death I want to be able to get another desktop and not be forced to choose between a laptop, or an uglier more modernised take on something like one of those horrible i-MAC things. I don't like tablets for internetty surfy type stuff, they're more of a big boys toy to me, for games and silly apps like virtual guitar and bass.

    I don't even use my i-Phone for the internet anymore, I preferred my droid, it seemed a lot more practical for some reason. I'll use it to read WOS every now and then on my break at work, but I can't even be bothered to sign in anymore, I just wait til' I get home now.

    Booo!
    i use the net on mi phone at work etc but barely post as its too fiddly and annoying (although this new phones easier cos its almost a normal keyboard lol)
    i normally wait till i get home on my desktop to post, i have 3 desktops :) aswell as a lappy
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  • edited December 2012
    i use the net on mi phone at work etc but barely post as its too fiddly and annoying (although this new phones easier cos its almost a normal keyboard lol)
    i normally wait till i get home on my desktop to post, i have 3 desktops :) aswell as a lappy

    I don't really like laptops that much, I think if I had one I'd have it hooked up to my monitor, and an external keyboard, mouse, and hardrive, and use it as a desktop.

    My wife swears by her lappy, she hasn't used a desktop in about 8 years now.
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  • edited December 2012
    I don't really like laptops that much, I think if I had one I'd have it hooked up to my monitor, and an external keyboard, mouse, and hardrive, and use it as a desktop.

    My wife swears by her lappy, she hasn't used a desktop in about 8 years now.

    I don't use a desktop besides my Mac these days. I mostly use my laptop but I do connect it to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor..
  • edited December 2012
    I don't use a desktop besides my Mac these days. I mostly use my laptop but I do connect it to an external keyboard, mouse and monitor..

    erm int that in effect a desktop then? Oo
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  • edited December 2012
    erm int that in effect a desktop then? Oo

    I only use external equipment if something I'm doing calls for the need for it, otherwise I'd just use the laptop as is.
  • edited December 2012
    Towers will still stick around for workstation-class systems. My new system at work is a tower - you just couldn't get the stuff that's in it to fit in a laptop or even a small form-factor desktop (you could do it in a "pizza box" style workstation case like what Sun and SGI used to use, but you can't get a "pizza box" case in a standard form factor - they are all proprietary meaning you can't really build a workstation in that style of case).
  • edited December 2012
    Winston wrote: »
    Towers will still stick around for workstation-class systems. My new system at work is a tower - you just couldn't get the stuff that's in it to fit in a laptop or even a small form-factor desktop (you could do it in a "pizza box" style workstation case like what Sun and SGI used to use, but you can't get a "pizza box" case in a standard form factor - they are all proprietary meaning you can't really build a workstation in that style of case).
    my desktops a smaller form factor and its a bloody pain to change / repair owt, had to change the hard drive and its under about 420 things
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  • edited December 2012
    Short answer - No.
    Long answer - No, it hasn't.
  • edited December 2012
    Wouldn't want to swap my desktop. I have a laptop supplied from work, and I have my own Android tablet which I use for silly games and apps. I don't think the desktop is in danger of dying out.
  • edited December 2012
    I absolutely loathe 99% of the laptop keyboards I've tried thus far.

    Still have an old clunker of a keyboard, and if I use a laptop, I use an oldish (USB) keyboard.
  • edited December 2012
    I've been using my laptop for a couple of years now. Not through choice, but necessity (or is it laziness?), as my trusty desktop is a bit poorly. Processor fan packed in and toasted the processor one day when I was at work.
    I'm going to rebuild it with some nice new high spec innards at some point, but something always distracts me. I'll do it eventually as I miss it. The laptop is good for convenience, but it's not powerful enough for what I need really..
  • edited December 2012
    Glenn wrote: »
    I've been using my laptop for a couple of years now. Not through choice, but necessity (or is it laziness?), as my trusty desktop is a bit poorly. Processor fan packed in and toasted the processor one day when I was at work.
    I'm going to rebuild it with some nice new high spec innards at some point, but something always distracts me. I'll do it eventually as I miss it. The laptop is good for convenience, but it's not powerful enough for what I need really..
    exactly, desktops are cheaper and more powerful compared
    plus
    easier to repair / upgrade
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  • edited December 2012
    guesser wrote: »
    Just because more tablets or thin clients etc are being sold doesn't mean that the people who needed a PC ten years ago can magically manage without one now though.

    Completely agree. :-)
  • edited December 2012
    I've tried computing devices of every shape, colour and size - and I keep coming back to my desktop pc.
  • edited December 2012
    prolly what the article means is you wont see it as much on the highstreet.
  • edited December 2012
    mile wrote: »
    prolly what the article means is you wont see it as much on the highstreet.
    You certainly won't see mine on the High Street...
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  • edited December 2012
    guesser wrote: »
    Just because more tablets or thin clients etc are being sold doesn't mean that the people who needed a PC ten years ago can magically manage without one now though.

    They won't disappear, but they will become more expensive because less components will be made.

    Ask a bunch of gamers if they need a PC and they will say yes - but stats show less use for a PC... my own web stats show a massive shift in browsers being used - for example, during the day its more IE (because people are browsing at work) but in the evenings its mobile devices.

    It's such a big shift, I am currently re-modelling how my websites are produced and viewed...
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  • edited December 2012
    I believe there's still a place for the tower but it's undoubtedly been overtaken by laptops, smart phones and tablets for modern day browsing. Gaming will keep the tower going for a long time yet; gaming laptops are way too expensive... but, Valve's Steambox could make the gaming tower obsolete especially if they make it upgradeable. There's definitely a place for a souped up pc in a small box underneath the telly.

    I updated my PC a couple of weeks ago to a LAN PC case and I honestly wish I'd done it years ago. So much easier to move between rooms and the case is so robust it would survive a bomb blast. Wasn't cheap though!
  • edited December 2012
    fogartylee wrote: »
    They won't disappear, but they will become more expensive because less components will be made.

    Well I don't think they will get more expensive (at least for the people who care about wanting a workstation-class system - either for gaming, or for development, or running a heap of virtual machines). The components made for the people who really want a workstation-class machine are not the consumer level things anyway. The high end stuff doesn't have a substitute so none of the high-end users will be migrating to laptops or tablets or any other "consumer class" computer, so the volume of high-end stuff made will at worst remain static.
  • edited December 2012
    karingal wrote: »
    You certainly won't see mine on the High Street...
    thank god fer that

    oh wait we still talking computers?
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  • edited December 2012
    thank god fer that

    oh wait we still talking computers?
    LOL!!
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  • edited December 2012
    Winston wrote: »
    Well I don't think they will get more expensive (at least for the people who care about wanting a workstation-class system - either for gaming, or for development, or running a heap of virtual machines). The components made for the people who really want a workstation-class machine are not the consumer level things anyway.

    Exactly, why would companies stop producing high end nVidia cards for example because people aren't buying towers at PC woe any more? The cheapy consumer PCs have onboard graphics so the rise and fall of that market shirley doesn't affect the gfx card market.


    Ok, I suppose someone might buy a cheap PC then discover that the onboard graphics won't play games well enough or whatever and so buy a new gfx card for it but I don't think that's very common.
  • edited December 2012
    The thing is, stuff like graphics cards as discrete components is also on the way out. To get the kinds of performance they really need, it's just no longer ideal to sit so far away from the CPU, because the performance lost across external buses is extremely significant. As more and more moves towards fully integrated, single chip solutions, the argument for 'upgradability' in a desktop system diminishes. Even with the typical desktop available today, the process of providing adequate cooling and airflow throughout the system is difficult when joe blogs comes along and stick various cards in, disrupting the overall airflow effect and reducing the lifespan of the system.

    It's a rapidly declining market and it will eventually all but disappear, surviving in the odd niche here and there at best.
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