The Great Intelligence mentioned The Valeyard as one of the names the Doctor will be known as during "The Name of the Doctor" so that puts paid to that little theory.
I've been away for the weekend so have only just watched this episode on the iPlayer and I think I'm going to have to watch it again as it melted my brain at times :lol:
But what a brilliant story! It answered alot of questions yet opened up a whole lot more. I enjoyed the flash backs (I literally just watched the story where Sylvester McCoy was hanging from his umbrella last weekend!) and am really looking forward to the 50th episode. We already know that the last Doctor will be in it (not a spoiler as it's been all over the press) but I'm hopeful that a some of the others will appear, at least in newly recorded voice form.
Spoiler:
my take on John Hurt's Doctor is that he's the last one and the one that died, leaving the tomb and it's his big mistake that not only killed him, but caused the current Doctor to deny him the Doctor's name. I'm guessing he killed someone special (River Song?) and then caused some kind of accident that killed him too.
my take on John Hurt's Doctor is that he's the last one and the one that died, leaving the tomb and it's his big mistake that not only killed him, but caused the current Doctor to deny him the Doctor's name. I'm guessing he killed someone special (River Song?) and then caused some kind of accident that killed him too.
It'll be fun finding out anyway :-)
I initially thought that, but no, as 11-Doc remembers his actions - ie, it was something that happened in his personal experiential past, not something that he knows about by encountering the information. My current best guess is that he's
Spoiler:
an aged 8-Doc before regenerating into 9-Doc. 9-Doc, 10-Doc and 11-Doc have all mentioned doing something really bad in the Time War in their personal experiential past.
my take on John Hurt's Doctor is that he's the last one and the one that died, leaving the tomb and it's his big mistake that not only killed him, but caused the current Doctor to deny him the Doctor's name. I'm guessing he killed someone special (River Song?) and then caused some kind of accident that killed him too.
It'll be fun finding out anyway :-)
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The River Song theory of yours is wrong, since we know how she died - we saw her die - in the library.
I initially thought that, but no, as 11-Doc remembers his actions - ie, it was something that happened in his personal experiential past, not something that he knows about by encountering the information. My current best guess is that he's
Spoiler:
an aged 8-Doc before regenerating into 9-Doc. 9-Doc, 10-Doc and 11-Doc have all mentioned doing something really bad in the Time War in their personal experiential past.
Good point! As I said, I'm going to have to watch that episode again to take it all in as it was melting my brain ;-)
But I thought he revived her with the screwdriver? Another episode I'm going to have to re-watch...
Spoiler tag overdose... do five year old episodes need spoiler tags, I wonder?
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He rescued her "pattern" which lived on as part of the library computer but, as he suggests in the most recent episode, that wasn't really her, just an echo. No more than a memory not allowed to fade.
Spoiler tag overdose... do five year old episodes need spoiler tags, I wonder?
Spoiler:
He rescued her "pattern" which lived on as part of the library computer but, as he suggests in the most recent episode, that wasn't really her, just an echo. No more than a memory not allowed to fade.
Spoiler tag overdose... do five year old episodes need spoiler tags, I wonder?
Ordinarily I'd say no, but since it's totally relevant to the most recent episode, it might give away small things that by watching the episode makes it more entertaining.
Ordinarily I'd say no, but since it's totally relevant to the most recent episode, it might give away small things that by watching the episode makes it more entertaining.
It is no surprise Matt is leaving the end of the year as the rumors have been flying around for a while now,i still think a lot of the writing has let the recent doctors down a little.
I liked the episode where it has the little girl singing to get the monster to stay asleep...
I thought that was one of the worst this season.
Loads of monsters...loved that, but the story was a messy, incoherent and sloppy piece of writing. Wtf was up with that thing in the sun? No, don't answer - I don't want to know.
It was so bad an episode that had the monster in the sun been the Candyman, that Bonnie Langford needed to perform a tap routine to destroy, then that would have actually improved the episode. (Worst episode, ever)
It was so bad an episode that had the monster in the sun been the Candyman, that Bonnie Langford needed to perform a tap routine to destroy, then that would have actually improved the episode. (Worst episode, ever)
It wasn?t that bad. I think the worse one ever was the one where everybody in the world thought about the Doctor at the same time and that somehow allowed him to turn from a goblin back into his normal shape and then reverse everything bad that had happened.
It wasn?t that bad. I think the worse one ever was the one where everybody in the world thought about the Doctor at the same time and that somehow allowed him to turn from a goblin back into his normal shape and then reverse everything bad that had happened.
Man, I'd forgotten about that. To think some people want to re-assess RTD's time as showrunner when he was responsible for that.
I actually think it's about time for him to go! Although Dr Who isn't as cocksure of itself as it was in the final days of David Tennants stint, I think it's about time for a change. Probably in the writting team too.
I just think it's getting far to stupid and OTT these days. From riding a motorbike up the outside of The Shard to that totally stupid episode with them flying about on that Space Mopehead, it's all become a tab silly.
The episodes will benifit from either being a little longer (unlikely as thye runtime is designed to be able to add advert breaks for the export market) or being spread over 2 or 3 episodes like in the older days.
Some more alien worlds will be good too. Considering Th Doctor has the whole of space and time to play around in, he sure likes modern day Cardif ;-)
I think the problem is, like so many other series, its go so up itself its forgotten what its all about in the first place.
What made it great 'back in the day' and for the beginning of its return was it was easy to 'dip in and out' of. Here's a story, beginning middle end, move onto a new adventure... with, maybe, a little underline story arc now and then to make things a bit more interesting. Now its all about the long drawn out mcguffins and only rarely if you are really lucky a small, stand alone story.
I think the X files died because it did the same and forgot the importance of a new story each episode... Torchwood too... and sadly it looks like Warehouse 13 is going that way as well.
I hope when we get a new Doctor at Christmas things get back to how it used to be.
No, no. Love and Monsters was one of his good ones (along with Midnight which, funnily enough, is its exact opposite in terms of tone) - it's much misunderstood in my opinion since it's supposed to be a funny, tongue in cheek episode, a satire on fandom in general and Who fandom in particular.
RTD's main problem as a showrunner was that he seemed to see the show as spectacle and the Doctor as a planetary celebrity with god-like status. I always felt that RTD was nursing an inferiority complex about the show he loved so much. He talked a lot about the importance of special effects and how UK sci-fi had to "match" US sci-fi (which he seemed to see in terms of money on the screen more than quality of storytelling) and how it was important that everyone in all the BBC's precious age and income catagories liked it and how he was taking it "back" for the people from the sci-fi fans. He seemed to be a Doctor Who fan who bought the media myth ("wobbly" cardboard sets, asocial shut-ins as fans) and overcompensated by flooding the screen with CGI and down-to-earth modern-day environments so he could make it partly soap-opera.
When Moffat took over he toned down the spectacle and got rid of much of the soap opera whilst firmly re-asserting its sci-fi (and especially time-travelling) credentials. Not only was there no dip in popularity but, apparently, it's been even more successful overseas.
Every story should be a two-parter, with the occasional three-parter. This latest series had some fantastic stories, (I think the best since the series returned in 2005) but none were allowed to develop... they just ended in a half-hearted fizzle.
I think the problem is, like so many other series, its go so up itself its forgotten what its all about in the first place.
What made it great 'back in the day' and for the beginning of its return was it was easy to 'dip in and out' of. Here's a story, beginning middle end, move onto a new adventure... with, maybe, a little underline story arc now and then to make things a bit more interesting. Now its all about the long drawn out mcguffins and only rarely if you are really lucky a small, stand alone story.
I agree, we also need the two-parters back since some stories (e.g. the Cybermen episode this series) are too complex to fit into 45 minutes without feeling rushed.
Story arcs were one of those things RTD brought to the show as an ongoing thing which seem good on paper but haven't really bourne fruit. RTD's arcs, whilst well implemented through the use of things like "arc words" in the script, were always disappointing ("Bad Wolf" created a real buzz so the weak pay-off was a huge disappointment) and Moffat's, whilst generally more intriguing, are little better; in fact you could argue Moffat creates more disappointment since he goes to so much effort to grab the viewer's interest.
Having said that, I thought the pay-off this series with Clara was actually quite good, kind of what "Bad Wolf" should have been.
Matt was doing brilliantly lately, the range of emotions he shows in some of the episodes are really great. Not really sure if the other doctors can do that. I don't know I can even try to express some of those expressions.
As for Clara, well, it feels like that the writers just forgot to write things about her. She doesn't even seem to have any hobbies, except for making souffles.
This new format feels rushed. Actually not really rushed, because that could sound like a good thing. It's more like, every episode is exactly the same story, only in a different setting. Perhaps this new format makes different stories impossible, but other than the finale I thought I was watching the same story over and over again. (Still love them, of course.) Perhaps people from the USA and the UK are more used to fast, speedup stories than Europeans, but for me it just go way too fast.
Oh, a small question, is there going to be a Doctor Who Season this year? or is there only going to be an Anniversary episode and the Xmas Special?
Has anyone been reading about these supposed 90 (that's NINETY!) episodes that have allegedly, supposedly, apparently, maybe been discovered? I've just been reading about it on RadioTimes.com and then on a load of other sites.
There are always stories about missing episodes being found but this one involves "evidence" from Ian Levine, container loads of BBC stuff being returned from Nigeria in 2011, the "world?s foremost archive recovery company" and all the usual rumours etc. The stash is supposed to include a missing Dad's Army episode as well as some other stuff.
It does seem a little too good to be true what with it tying in nicely with the 50th anniversary but............. it's a good story if nothing else, eh? :p
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Lol it was just mental slapping my face from both sides, a real roller coaster of an episode that made my eye brows rise
Didn't Doctor Who actually start in a scrap yard back in '63?
But what a brilliant story! It answered alot of questions yet opened up a whole lot more. I enjoyed the flash backs (I literally just watched the story where Sylvester McCoy was hanging from his umbrella last weekend!) and am really looking forward to the 50th episode. We already know that the last Doctor will be in it (not a spoiler as it's been all over the press) but I'm hopeful that a some of the others will appear, at least in newly recorded voice form.
It'll be fun finding out anyway :-)
Good point! As I said, I'm going to have to watch that episode again to take it all in as it was melting my brain ;-)
maybe he just did her up the wrong 'un.
Ordinarily I'd say no, but since it's totally relevant to the most recent episode, it might give away small things that by watching the episode makes it more entertaining.
I thought that was one of the worst this season.
Loads of monsters...loved that, but the story was a messy, incoherent and sloppy piece of writing. Wtf was up with that thing in the sun? No, don't answer - I don't want to know.
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It wasn?t that bad. I think the worse one ever was the one where everybody in the world thought about the Doctor at the same time and that somehow allowed him to turn from a goblin back into his normal shape and then reverse everything bad that had happened.
Man, I'd forgotten about that. To think some people want to re-assess RTD's time as showrunner when he was responsible for that.
I still can't work out if this post was actually deleted or this is a Cyberman related joke? :D
I just think it's getting far to stupid and OTT these days. From riding a motorbike up the outside of The Shard to that totally stupid episode with them flying about on that Space Mopehead, it's all become a tab silly.
The episodes will benifit from either being a little longer (unlikely as thye runtime is designed to be able to add advert breaks for the export market) or being spread over 2 or 3 episodes like in the older days.
Some more alien worlds will be good too. Considering Th Doctor has the whole of space and time to play around in, he sure likes modern day Cardif ;-)
What made it great 'back in the day' and for the beginning of its return was it was easy to 'dip in and out' of. Here's a story, beginning middle end, move onto a new adventure... with, maybe, a little underline story arc now and then to make things a bit more interesting. Now its all about the long drawn out mcguffins and only rarely if you are really lucky a small, stand alone story.
I think the X files died because it did the same and forgot the importance of a new story each episode... Torchwood too... and sadly it looks like Warehouse 13 is going that way as well.
I hope when we get a new Doctor at Christmas things get back to how it used to be.
No, no. Love and Monsters was one of his good ones (along with Midnight which, funnily enough, is its exact opposite in terms of tone) - it's much misunderstood in my opinion since it's supposed to be a funny, tongue in cheek episode, a satire on fandom in general and Who fandom in particular.
RTD's main problem as a showrunner was that he seemed to see the show as spectacle and the Doctor as a planetary celebrity with god-like status. I always felt that RTD was nursing an inferiority complex about the show he loved so much. He talked a lot about the importance of special effects and how UK sci-fi had to "match" US sci-fi (which he seemed to see in terms of money on the screen more than quality of storytelling) and how it was important that everyone in all the BBC's precious age and income catagories liked it and how he was taking it "back" for the people from the sci-fi fans. He seemed to be a Doctor Who fan who bought the media myth ("wobbly" cardboard sets, asocial shut-ins as fans) and overcompensated by flooding the screen with CGI and down-to-earth modern-day environments so he could make it partly soap-opera.
When Moffat took over he toned down the spectacle and got rid of much of the soap opera whilst firmly re-asserting its sci-fi (and especially time-travelling) credentials. Not only was there no dip in popularity but, apparently, it's been even more successful overseas.
I agree, we also need the two-parters back since some stories (e.g. the Cybermen episode this series) are too complex to fit into 45 minutes without feeling rushed.
Story arcs were one of those things RTD brought to the show as an ongoing thing which seem good on paper but haven't really bourne fruit. RTD's arcs, whilst well implemented through the use of things like "arc words" in the script, were always disappointing ("Bad Wolf" created a real buzz so the weak pay-off was a huge disappointment) and Moffat's, whilst generally more intriguing, are little better; in fact you could argue Moffat creates more disappointment since he goes to so much effort to grab the viewer's interest.
Having said that, I thought the pay-off this series with Clara was actually quite good, kind of what "Bad Wolf" should have been.
As for Clara, well, it feels like that the writers just forgot to write things about her. She doesn't even seem to have any hobbies, except for making souffles.
This new format feels rushed. Actually not really rushed, because that could sound like a good thing. It's more like, every episode is exactly the same story, only in a different setting. Perhaps this new format makes different stories impossible, but other than the finale I thought I was watching the same story over and over again. (Still love them, of course.) Perhaps people from the USA and the UK are more used to fast, speedup stories than Europeans, but for me it just go way too fast.
Oh, a small question, is there going to be a Doctor Who Season this year? or is there only going to be an Anniversary episode and the Xmas Special?
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There are always stories about missing episodes being found but this one involves "evidence" from Ian Levine, container loads of BBC stuff being returned from Nigeria in 2011, the "world?s foremost archive recovery company" and all the usual rumours etc. The stash is supposed to include a missing Dad's Army episode as well as some other stuff.
It does seem a little too good to be true what with it tying in nicely with the 50th anniversary but............. it's a good story if nothing else, eh? :p