New audio interfaces.

edited August 2013 in Announcements
I heard that gasman and someone else had to release two new input interfaces for spectrum+AY : a theremin interface and something else I can't remember.
What about 'em? Still dreaming of a simple and pnp midi in interface for 128K :D
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  • edited July 2013
    DaRkHoRaCe wrote: »
    I heard that gasman and someone else had to release two new input interfaces for spectrum+AY : a theremin interface and something else I can't remember.
    What about 'em? Still dreaming of a simple and pnp midi in interface for 128K :D

    It's only about 10% of the work creating the interface.
    Software support is a much larger challenge imho.

    It's very easy to create a midi in interface.
    Resistor, opto coupler, adress decoder and voila, that's it.

    But a serial input read routine is part 2.
    Software to use the interface and input routine is step 3.
  • edited July 2013
    DaRkHoRaCe wrote: »
    I heard that gasman and someone else had to release two new input interfaces for spectrum+AY : a theremin interface and something else I can't remember.

    Nope, I'm not working on anything like that...

    I know Winston was interested in building a Spectrum theremin, but I'm not sure if that's made it past the 'idea' stage yet.
  • edited August 2013
    bverstee wrote: »
    It's only about 10% of the work creating the interface.
    Software support is a much larger challenge imho.

    It's very easy to create a midi in interface.
    Resistor, opto coupler, adress decoder and voila, that's it.

    But a serial input read routine is part 2.
    Software to use the interface and input routine is step 3.

    Heheh you are an hardware wizard, not like me :D
    Can you list the all the components and draw a lil circuit (by hand if you prefer)?
    I have a bread board and maybe I can try to assemble it.

    PartS 2 and 3 are a real problem :D
  • edited August 2013
    DaRkHoRaCe wrote: »
    Heheh you are an hardware wizard, not like me :D
    Can you list the all the components and draw a lil circuit (by hand if you prefer)?
    I have a bread board and maybe I can try to assemble it.

    PartS 2 and 3 are a real problem :D

    No, that would really take too much time; if I would do that, I must test it etc.
    Designing is just one step.

    I tried to find a schematic of the RAM Music Machine but it's probably not available; can't find it.

    I think you're best of buying a RAM Music Machine and write software for that.
    Maybe there are some machine code listings (maybe from a dissasembly of the RAM Music Machine code) to use without writing them yourself.
  • edited August 2013
    zxbruno wrote: »

    Wow, that is great, a ready design.
    Even the Eagle files are present, so it's very simple to create the board.
    (carefully whispering that I am willing to create some of those, when time allows me)

    It also has software ready; who can test that?
    I can't find any machine code listings in the manual though.


    edit:
    Are those two sync in- and outputs needed?
    Will the three midi ports be enough?

    If I manufacture them, I can offer them for probably 30 euro.
  • edited August 2013
    bverstee wrote: »
    Wow, that is great, a ready design.
    Even the Eagle files are present, so it's very simple to create the board.
    (carefully whispering that I am willing to create some of those, when time allows me)

    Thank you all for answering! That's great!!!
    bverstee wrote: »
    It also has software ready; who can test that?
    I can't find any machine code listings in the manual though.

    I don't know if the software is what I'm looking for.. maybe it doesn't exist yet :|
    bverstee wrote: »
    edit:
    Are those two sync in- and outputs needed?
    Will the three midi ports be enough?

    Uhm, maybe the syncs are usefull to connect the interface to a midi clock / sync. But I don't know it exactly
    What I desire is to connect my yamaha kx 25 keyboard to control the AY chip of my 128K +2A (but I don't think there are any zx programs to do that) , than sync the signal with other peripherals (not playing them , just starting / stopping)

    Anyway, playing the AY chip with my keyboard is enough, omitting the PLAY/STOP for other peripherals.
    bverstee wrote: »
    If I manufacture them, I can offer them for probably 30 euro.

    I'll buy it for sure if it's good for my purposes!
  • edited August 2013
    Are the IC's for that interface available? I don't know for sure, but did have trouble finding a 6850 which is also very common in C64 MIDI interfaces a few years ago.

    How important is it to use the Spectrum? Would something like a MIDIBox AY be suitable? Although mine is still waiting to be put together....

    A Spectrum Theremin?
  • edited August 2013
    Spex wrote: »
    Are the IC's for that interface available? I don't know for sure, but did have trouble finding a 6850 which is also very common in C64 MIDI interfaces a few years ago.

    Uhm, I don't know , but Ben said that he could do the interface (when he has free time).
    Spex wrote: »
    How important is it to use the Spectrum?

    It would be better for softwares and because I don't have spare AYs. I only have mine on board on my two 128Ks
    Spex wrote: »
    Would something like a MIDIBox AY be suitable? Although mine is still waiting to be put together....
    Yes, the purpose is the same eventually. But maybe is more expensive.
    You are planning to do a Midibox AY ? Cool!
    Spex wrote: »
    A Spectrum Theremin?
    Whaat? o_O :D
  • edited August 2013
    Yes I plan to build a MIDIBox AY, but time and all that.

    AY chips are probably easier to get hold of than the other chips, but don't know for sure.

    The Music Machine was mentioned earlier, might it not be better to write some software for that? From what I understand, there is a lack of software that can record a live performance via MIDI input, is that correct?

    I do have a MIDI Theremin, so maybe an AY chip under Theremin control isn't that far away.
  • edited August 2013
    Spex wrote: »
    Yes I plan to build a MIDIBox AY, but time and all that.


    As for the MIDI and audio, many years ago we were actually wondering abut making some kind of audio interface with small synthesizer built-in - and based on MIDI.

    It would be something like early sound-cards for PC, with some wave-table and triggered by MIDI commands (here: coming from ZX-BUS).

    Having that - and assuming there would be the same GM setup in all the interfaces, one could make music for games/demos even on PC/Atari ST/MAC and some midi-keyz. And music would always sound the same. Could be pretty good and would take not to much of RAM.

    Another thing is would it take more CPU than 50hz AY. That I don't know.

    But then Yarek Adamski became totally 'silent' and the project has died.

    Back in the days, we considered basing it on some old PC cards (that were old even then) but now it might be even easier with all those programmable chip (altera and whatever more there was).
    ZX81/ZX Spectrum/Amiga/Atari music: http://yerzmyey.i-demo.pl/
  • edited August 2013
    Spex wrote: »
    Yes I plan to build a MIDIBox AY, but time and all that.

    AY chips are probably easier to get hold of than the other chips, but don't know for sure.

    The Music Machine was mentioned earlier, might it not be better to write some software for that? From what I understand, there is a lack of software that can record a live performance via MIDI input, is that correct?

    I do have a MIDI Theremin, so maybe an AY chip under Theremin control isn't that far away.

    If you think that it could be easy, do it. It may be enchanting and soldable too :D
    Yerzmyey wrote: »
    As for the MIDI and audio, many years ago we were actually wondering abut making some kind of audio interface with small synthesizer built-in - and based on MIDI.

    It would be something like early sound-cards for PC, with some wave-table and triggered by MIDI commands (here: coming from ZX-BUS).
    If you connect this interface to the zx bus, how could you connect to the other machines? Can't understand how it works.
    Yerzmyey wrote: »
    Having that - and assuming there would be the same GM setup in all the interfaces, one could make music for games/demos even on PC/Atari ST/MAC and some midi-keyz. And music would always sound the same. Could be pretty good and would take not to much of RAM.

    Another thing is would it take more CPU than 50hz AY. That I don't know.

    But then Yarek Adamski became totally 'silent' and the project has died.

    Back in the days, we considered basing it on some old PC cards (that were old even then) but now it might be even easier with all those programmable chip (altera and whatever more there was).

    It's not clear for me how is this interface works.
  • edited August 2013
    Hmmmmmm, I'd LOVE to help You but HE was the hardware guy and I was the guy from the "users-side". Sorry.
    ZX81/ZX Spectrum/Amiga/Atari music: http://yerzmyey.i-demo.pl/
  • edited August 2013
    Yerzmyey wrote: »
    Hmmmmmm, I'd LOVE to help You bit HE was the hardware guy and I was the guy from the "users-side". Sorry.

    Oh I see. Nevermind :D
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