Which Syndicate to play?

edited October 2013 in Chit chat
For years, one of the many games I've been meaning to try is Syndicate, which everyone says is really good. The trouble is, there are a lot of versions of the game (it seemed to come out for every 16 and 32 bit machine in the 1990s) and apparently some of the versions are very different from others. I don't just mean in better graphics and sound, but in gameplay style and game content, if what I've heard is true.

So what version(s) is the best? What's the difference (no real spoilers, please), and should I try more than one version, or is only one Syndicate game any good (even if that one is across several consoles)?

I don't mean the recent (bland, not much good) first person shooter , of course, I mean the RPG/whatever games from years back.

Thanks for any answers.
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  • edited October 2013
    Miggy version ftw for me...every time.
  • edited October 2013
    I've completed Syndicate on the Amiga, and then Syndicate Wars on the PS1, both "back in the day", and my stronger memories are with the original Amiga version.

    That's not to say that Wars wasn't a good game, but I guess the original made more of a lasting impression - although that could be said of most Amiga games versus any remakes / sequels that followed.

    Both games are far removed from being "shooters", although there is a lot of shooting that goes on. They are quite tactical, and some missions require a good bit of planning - if you rush around just trying to kill stuff you will fail for sure.

    You can get more of an idea of each game, and purchase them legally for PC/Mac, over at GOG:

    Syndicate Plus (Syndicate plus "American Revolt" expansion)
    Syndicate Wars
  • fogfog
    edited October 2013
    PC version I preferred to amiga, due to the speed. play the first one and the "American revolt" add on also. before the 2nd one (syndicate wars). I bought bought originals off ebay about a year ago..

    the pc cd version has both the first and the add-on the disk IRC.

    it's on loads of formats (snes etc), but I'd stick with the pc one.. I run em via dosbox, a website has some settings for it.

    http://syndicate.lubie.org/synd/html/synd_run_dosbox.php

    or just get it off GOG etc if you don't like faffing
  • edited October 2013
    I prefer Syndicate Wars to the original, so much so that I brought the disc here with me from back home.
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  • edited October 2013
    Amiga version is the bestest. As ridiculous as it may sound, the Jaguar version comes a close second.

    EDIT: Just checked out a video of the Jaguar version, it's much slower than I remember it being...
  • edited October 2013
    fog wrote: »
    PC version I preferred to amiga, due to the speed
    I purchased Syndicate (& Wars) from GOG just last month in a sale ($3.58 for both!), mainly to play the American Revolt expansion, but it's good to know the PC version is a bit nippier.

    It ran fine on my accelerated Amiga 1200, but I would imagine it would struggle on a 500.
  • Amiga version suffers from serious slowdown which is the only reason I managed to do the last mission!
  • edited October 2013
    ewgf wrote: »
    So what version(s) is the best? What's the difference (no real spoilers, please), and should I try more than one version, or is only one Syndicate game any good (even if that one is across several consoles)?
    As with many games of the period, the Mac version is the best. 256 colour graphics at 640x480 against the Amiga's 32 colour graphics at 320x256. No contest. You'll need Basilisk II to run it.
  • edited October 2013
    ive got an old pc disc in the shed cant remember which it is now, might be syndicate wars?
    it was good if i remmeber right
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  • edited October 2013
    dinner ladies usually get the win, go with them.
  • zx1zx1
    edited October 2013
    I played the first one on the Amiga but i remember my brother got the second for the PC but he still preferred the first one.
    The opening sequence for the second one is on YouTube.
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  • edited October 2013
    I prefer the DOS version. I played it so much against my friends over LAN back in the day. The Amiga version isn't bad either...but the DOS version beats it. I haven't tried the Mac version though. Oh, and the SNES version is pretty terrible. :p
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  • edited October 2013
    I remember the Miggy one fondly, think there was a version on Megadrive too but don't think I played it much
  • fogfog
    edited October 2013
    Mousey wrote: »
    It ran fine on my accelerated Amiga 1200, but I would imagine it would struggle on a 500.

    I played it on a mates 600 IRC.. I actually got rid of my a500, for a c128 as I find there were very few games I liked. e.g. silkworm and a few more.

    it was the era when vga was out and the PC was turning more "amiga"ish regarding games e.g. things by team 17 , and virgin bringing out well known amiga titles (by sensi etc)
  • edited October 2013
    Sokurah wrote: »
    Oh, and the SNES version is pretty terrible. :p

    I have fond memories of it though, the music was quite atmospheric.
  • edited October 2013
    Thanks for the answers, everyone. Since the Syndicate universe/theme seems to be so well known, is it something that predates the 90s video games, such as a (series of) books, or an old fashioned dice based RPG, or is it just so well known because the games became so popular? And if it is based on novel(s), then are the books worth reading nowadays?

    aowen wrote: »
    As with many games of the period, the Mac version is the best. 256 colour graphics at 640x480 against the Amiga's 32 colour graphics at 320x256. No contest. You'll need Basilisk II to run it.

    That'll be great - I've never used a Mac, but I've always wanted to (they get so much praise and are apparently free from so many of the PC's (or rather Windows') faults and annoyances), so are there any other Mac games you'd recommend, especially first person shooter or action games?
  • edited October 2013
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

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  • edited October 2013

    I know about cyberpunk, of course. I think it's (interesting and potentially great), though I didn't like the book Neuromancer, maybe because I only read it for the first time a few years back, and was used to more modern works which if they are much better than Neuromancer (which I certainly think so) might be in part because they built upon Neuromancer and it's sequels so much, as in if I'd read it when it was new then I might have loved it, I don't know.


    Sadly, cyberpunk isn't nearly as common in games as it should be, and when it is it's usually over-simplified (though to be fair that's true of most genres and themes in gaming these days). I also love Steampunk, but that's even rarer in games. Bioshock should have done this well, and it does as far as the atmosphere is concerned, but sadly for whatever reason the early promises of the game were often abandoned, for example, none of the in-game weapons were supposed to be weapons as such, they were all jerry built by splicers and non-splicers using whatever non-weapon parts were available. You can sort of see this with the gun turrets, which look more like typewriters tied to wooden chairs, and the flying turret things, which look home built. It's a pity this wasn't built upon in the game mechanics, it could have allowed you to build your own weapons and automatic helpers (and I don't just mean like collect 1x something, 3x something else, 2x another thing, then press a button and bingo! A weapon is now yours, I mean you had to get parts that work together, fit them together yourself, etc. It would really have enhanced and deepened the gameplay. Instead we pick up the shotgun, the pistol, the usual first person shooter stuff, which are just left around and ignored by the wandering, violent, psychotic NPCs.

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    * PC expert - someone who's seen 50% of PC problems a million times and can fix them in his sleep (usually involving a rescue USB stick, or three hours spent manually sorting through Windows and assorted stuff, or at worst a reformat and re-install), and who knows how to use google for the other 50%.

    Intelligence and a technical affinity are not required, just patience, a free evening, and a working 'net connection on another PC. Surely being a Mac expert can't be as boring as that?
  • edited October 2013
    I played the DOS version thorough back then. A hell of a rocking game if you ask me, still having fond memories of it after about 17 years from the last time I experienced it!
    ewgf wrote: »
    I also love Steampunk, but that's even rarer in games.
    Arcanum is what you must play, then. Imagine Fallout in a steampunk, Tolkienesque/Victorian setting and you'll have a (vague) idea of what it is.

    Yes, graphically wise it's pretty lousy even for 2001 standards, but atmosphere and incredibly open development of playing character make more than up for that. I finished it three times with three different characters and each time there was some feature I hadn't experienced in the other ones.
  • edited October 2013
    My mac joke was dirty old men wearing raincoats (macs) in a park related.
  • edited October 2013
    My mac joke was dirty old men wearing raincoats (macs) in a park related.

    I know, and my joke drowned in the self pity (I was expecting a laptop today which is "running slow"*, but it didn't get dropped off, so no doubt I'll get it tomorrow, probably minus either the power lead (not usually a problem) or the BIOS password) of the noble PC warrior (that's what we should call ourselves!).





    * I've not seen this machine before (as far as I can remember), but 'running slow' usually means drowning in malware, Internet Explorer is the only browser the owner (and his/her kids) use on it, no firewall or anti-malware software on it (unless it's a long lapsed pay one that hasn't been updated since the Beatles were on tour), IE has at least a third of it's screen area taken up by third party tool/search/whatever bars, and the laptop takes longer to boot up than it did to make it in the factory. And there's anywhere between 0% to 0.000% chance that anything on the laptop of value to the owner (photos, documents, etc) has been backed up separately, so if I have to reformat then I first have to find and backup their stuff.





    I played the DOS version thorough back then. A hell of a rocking game if you ask me, still having fond memories of it after about 17 years from the last time I experienced it!

    Arcanum is what you must play, then. Imagine Fallout in a steampunk, Tolkienesque/Victorian setting and you'll have a (vague) idea of what it is.

    Yes, graphically wise it's pretty lousy even for 2001 standards, but atmosphere and incredibly open development of playing character make more than up for that. I finished it three times with three different characters and each time there was some feature I hadn't experienced in the other ones.


    I've just had a look (Gamefaqs is a great site for a quick look up of games you've never seen before) and it does look intriguing. It's on Steam for almost nothing now, so I'll pick it up tomorrow, there are a couple of other games I'm getting from there, including a top down spaceship one that's been recommended, but I can't remember what it's called (a work mate keeps on about it, so I'll get the name tomorrow, I know it's a Kickstarter game). Thanks for the recommendation, mate.
  • edited October 2013
    Is it just me or was the original Fallout pretty crap? I don't like reading spoilers but after killing a few giant scorpions and exploring a "dungeon" I had no idea what to do next? In Morrowind you have like a bazillion things to do it's just working out which order to do them?
  • edited October 2013
    Amiga version for me, but make sure it's the A1200 version. Never experienced any slowdown on that. Amiga also has the American Revolt missions, but you won't be needing 'em as you'll keep going back over the others as they're fab!
  • edited October 2013
    ewgf wrote: »
    That'll be great - I've never used a Mac, but I've always wanted to (they get so much praise and are apparently free from so many of the PC's (or rather Windows') faults and annoyances), so are there any other Mac games you'd recommend, especially first person shooter or action games?

    Well we're talking classic Macs here as emulated by Basilisk II. We didn't get a lot of games back in the day but the ones we got were usually much higher resolution with better sound and more colour.

    I have fond memories of playing Syndicate, X-Wing, TIE Fighter, and Flashback in 640x480, and Master of Orion in 832x624 resolution. If it's FPS you're after though, you have to play Marathon from Bungie (who started out on the Mac before being bought by MS and developing Halo).

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  • edited October 2013
    Alternatively, you could just buy Syndicate Plus from gog.com for Windows or Mac. It's the original game, plus the American Revolt pack with a few bug fixes and made compatible for modern operating systems:

    http://www.gog.com/game/syndicate

    I'm pretty sure that people are only recommending the Amiga version because it's the only one they ever played. Other than the vastly cut-down Megadrive and SNES versions, its far and away the weakest in terms of graphics and slowdown. I suppose you do have mouse control though, which gives it an edge over the console ports.
  • edited October 2013
    The original Syndicate on an Amiga is the version for me.
    I used to play it on my A500+ and it ran fine (mostly).

    It does run better and an A1200 though.

    Oh, and the flamethrower still remains one of the best weapons in a game. Ever.
  • edited October 2013
    Matt_B wrote: »
    Alternatively, you could just buy Syndicate Plus from gog.com for Windows or Mac.
    GOG is great, but I hate the low res DOS versions of games that had higher resolution Mac versions.
  • edited October 2013
    aowen wrote: »
    GOG is great, but I hate the low res DOS versions of games that had higher resolution Mac versions.

    The DOS version runs at 640x480 for the action, same as the Mac version. It's only the menus and cut scenes that are 320x240.
  • edited October 2013
    Is it just me or was the original Fallout pretty crap?
    Blasphemy! You deserve to be burnt by the Eternal Flame! :razz:
    I don't like reading spoilers but after killing a few giant scorpions and exploring a "dungeon" I had no idea what to do next?
    First thing you must do, in case you didn't notice, is to seek clues in order to find a water chip to repair the water purification system of your Vault, which has been the only environment you, as the Vault Dweller, have experienced so far in your life. The open structure of the game plainly reflects this - you are literally thrown into an unknown and dangerous world looking for something, not being taken by the hand and precisely shown some sort of menial task to perform. The way the game slowly unfolds under the player's eyes is nothing short of astonishing.
  • edited October 2013
    mile wrote: »
    dinner ladies usually get the win, go with them.

    ...I've only just got that, after almost a full 24 hours.
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