+3 Power Supplies

edited March 2014 in Hardware
I have about 4 spare +2A power supplies.

Can I use these with the +3, or is there any difference?
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  • edited March 2014
    I think the +3 ones are rated higher. The +2A ones will work but may have a shorter lifespan as a result.
  • edited March 2014
    There is a difference in current, I think +12V line due to FDD.
    Using +3 supply with +2A/B is safe, +2A supply may be overloaded with +3, especially with external interfaces.
    However, +2A is enough to boot +3 with divIDE, I did it many times.
  • edited March 2014
    @Rich

    This might help -

    2_AB_3_POWER.png

    The +2 PSU will fail when the +3 uses the +12v for the FDD - this will take the +12v rail out as its not rated for the use with the 3" drive.

    While the +2 PSU may work (albeit temporarily) with the +3, it will fail when you start accessing the DISK - and the DISK is always active seek on boot. I would suggest against it personally. Sadly I have about 6 +2PSU's that have all suffered from this type of death.
  • edited March 2014
    From what I remember, a 1 A regulator is used to generate 12 V in both versions of the supply and it'd probably take longer term abuse to make that fail.

    In the +2A/B supply, -12 V is produced by a small regulator (I think rated for 100 mA) and that'd probably fail much more readily.

    Whatever goes wrong with the regulation circuit, it's probably not very difficult to repair in most cases; they are fairly simple.
  • edited March 2014
    You can always convert an Amiga 500 PSU for +3. You'll get a power switch as a bonus.
  • edited March 2014
    +2A PSU uses:-
    +12V ... IC2 (7812) and C2 (1000uF)
    -12V ... IC3 (79L12) and C3 (330uF)
    both the above supplies come from a common secondary transformer winding via a shared bridge rectifier formed from four 1N4001 diodes (rated 1A max) .

    +3 PSU uses:-
    +12V ... IC2 (7812), C4 (3300uF), F2 (1.25A) via a bridge rectifier formed from four 1N5391 diodes (rated 1.5A max) and its own secondary transformer winding.
    -12V ... D7 (12V Zener diode), R1 (10 Ohms), C8 (3300uf) and a bridge rectifier formed from four 1N4001 diodes and its own secondary transformer winding.

    So as you can see, the +12V supply on the +3 PSU is constructed to supply higher currents than the +12V supply in the +2A PSU, even though they both use the same 7812 voltage regulator chip.

    We don't know the full specifications of the transformer windings, but the +2A secondary winding is likely to be made of smaller diameter wire (compared to that on the +3 PSU), which when heavily loaded will reduce the output voltage somewhat.

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  • edited March 2014
    OK many thanks for the clarification.... - so does anyone need a +2A psu - and does anyone have a +3 PSU for sale please?
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  • ZupZup
    edited March 2014
    A related question...

    I guess that Amstrad didn't made two different designs for +2A/+3 PSUs, so a +2A PSU may be a de-rated +3 PSU. How can a +2A PSU be upgraded to +3?
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  • edited March 2014
    @Zup

    without a fair bit of work I am afraid - it would be easier to repurpose an ATX power supply that to try and re-work the +2A/B PSU to get more Amperage.

    I did promise guesser that I would draw up a schematic of the +2A/B PSU - when I get some time I shall do this =)
  • edited March 2014
    A Spanish site (speccy.org) already has reverse engineered schematics. See here :-)

    Mark
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    Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
    WoS - can't download? Info here...
    former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
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