This is like the Guns are good vs Guns are bad debate thread. There's seemingly no middle ground
iOS vs Android, pretty similar these days. I've used both, but got currently got Android phone & tablet. Main reason - I could get a ?100 7" tablet with Micro SD. And for what I want if for - I don't need retina class display.
But for my parents I got them an iPad. I think the locked down App store is far safer. Although iTunes (on a PC) was a complete pile of #*&# last time I used it, although there's less need to use it these days.
No offence intended to the Apple fans, but it's the entire "isn't apple wonderful / cool / ethical" attitude that really grinds by gears. Plus the guaranteed coverage on the news - seeing people queuing up on the day of release for a ?600+ phone - when 90+% of them will have the current iPhone, is consumerism gone mad.
Absolutely!!
iTunes is (as you say) a huge pile of sh**e, they don't let you expand the capacity with SD cards (they'd much rather you buy a bigger model). The latest models aren't ground breaking nor innovative and in fact offer the same (or even less) than the Samsung models for almost twice the price.
They offer no incentives to being a developer, with so many hoops to jump through before you app is accepted into the Apples store, it's no wonder so many developers are turning to Android.
No offence intended to the Apple fans, but it's the entire "isn't apple wonderful / cool / ethical" attitude that really grinds by gears.
No offence taken :)
Listen, the reason for the "hype" or enthusiasm about Apple products is that they are simply fantastic and fantastically simple.
When you've made the switch, you'll never go back, because everything just works.
To put it another way - when you go Apple - you spend time doing exactly what you want to do - whereas staying in the PC/Android platform, you spend your time trying to optimize, trying to install, trying to get it all to work.
Surely, the amount of fans and amount of usage is a true testament to their greatness. That should say all that needs to be said.
Absolutely!!
iTunes is (as you say) a huge pile of sh**e, they don't let you expand the capacity with SD cards (they'd much rather you buy a bigger model). The latest models aren't ground breaking nor innovative and in fact offer the same (or even less) than the Samsung models for almost twice the price.
They offer no incentives to being a developer, with so many hoops to jump through before you app is accepted into the Apples store, it's no wonder so many developers are turning to Android.
Yeah, iTunes is unfortunately a huge pile of crap on the PC. Its not properly integrated and it hogs system resources in the background.
Steve Jobs said - "iTunes on PC is like offering a cold glass of water to someone in hell"
meaning he thought that iTunes on PC was great and even said it was one of the most downloaded apps.
This is of course total rubbish!
About the App store not catering to developers. Thats the reason why the App store is great and many many apps adhere to a high quality of coding. Developers MUST adhere to rules and regulations, we surely don't want the market flooded with half-ass attempts at poor ****e programs that's like a plague on the Google Play store right?
If your app isn't up to scratch, then you should do something about it, to make it shine, so others will get some enjoyment from it as well :)
No offence taken :)
Listen, the reason for the "hype" or enthusiasm about Apple products is that they are simply fantastic and fantastically simple.
When you've made the switch, you'll never go back, because everything just works.
Not true, I have an iPod Touch and it sits on a shelf gathering dust, I also have a Samsung Galaxy Tab which I use every day.
To put it another way - when you go Apple - you spend time doing exactly what you want to do - whereas staying in the PC/Android platform, you spend your time trying to optimize, trying to install, trying to get it all to work.
Also not true. I haven't come across one app yet which cause me any concern nor takes take time to optimise and install. 1 click installation, 1 click to run.
Unlike Apple which won't allow me to use my own data in the apps (i.e. music where I have to either a. buy from iTunes or b. convert mp3's to their proprietary format or play any ZX Spectrum game in Spectaculator).
Surely, the amount of fans and amount of usage is a true testament to their greatness. That should say all that needs to be said.
Oh dear you've bought into the hype hook, line and sinker. There is no hope for you...
The ease of use argument is an interesting one. My iPhone and iPad never get used except for testing things on whereas my Nexus phone and tablet get used all the time because of the ease of use. I find Android much more intuative in the same way I find Windows 7 more user friendly than OSX. I only switch my mac mini on most of the time to either check something works on a mac or to install updates. (and it should be noted that most of the updates are security updates, strange for such a perfect unbreakable system). I suppose if I suppped the koolaid and used nothing except macs (not that I could, they don't do the hardware I need) then I would get more used to it but it still wouldn't stop the fact that places like W H Smiths are full of books on how to use your iToy which is odd if they are so intuitive and simple to use.
About the App store not catering to developers. Thats the reason why the App store is great and many many apps adhere to a high quality of coding. Developers MUST adhere to rules and regulations, we surely don't want the market flooded with half-ass attempts at poor ****e programs that's like a plague on the Google Play store right?
That's just plain not true though. Apple don't care as long as they get paid their developer license. If you then hack your half arsed app together from javascript and submit it they don't seem to care, or apparently even bother running the code to check it works.
To put it another way - when you go Apple - you spend time doing exactly what you want to do - whereas staying in the PC/Android platform, you spend your time trying to optimize, trying to install, trying to get it all to work.
Chapter 1, verse 1 from the gospel according to Apple.
Might have been the case with early versions of Android, but the apps I've installed (not that many I admit) - smooth to install, smooth to upgrade.
Verse 2 was something to do with never needing a bigger phone wasn't it? Oooops. Actually in this case I agree with Saint Steve - I prefer a small phone.
When the first iPhones came out - yep - quite happily admit I wanted one. Android was flakey, and most of the phones were pig ugly.
Of course some will prefer the iOS experience vs Android, as you clearly do, but the reality is they are both are good these days. Unless there are some iOS specific apps a punter "needs", you are paying for the privilege of owning Apple kit. The truth is that it's an aspirational badge/fashion accessory for a lot of people.
And you have to congratulate Apple, the amount of money they generate is truly amazing.
You know guys, if you're so happy with your Android stuff, I find it quite strange you have Apple devices laying about the place too?
I mean, I've switched from PC's after what? +25 years? and its a nice change, almost an upgrade you could say. I still have PC's laying about, but this is because my wife is stubborn and dosen't want to go to Mac, so I have no choice but to have these things.
But you guys of your own free will have bought what? iPhones, iPods and Mac mini's?
'm sure that Android and their smartphones have come a long way and some are probably quite good. So I bought an Android tablet to see what all the fuss is about - curiosity. My goodness what lag and bloody pop-ups all over the place. I admit its a cheapo tablet, but still you won't find this kind of experience with Apple devices.
I do admit the competition is closing in on Apple fast and yes no company is perfect - Apple maps was a nice fat fail, refusing to make bigger phones for so long, imo, another nice big fail.
Making an iPad mini? Questionable.
Now the Apple watch? We'll see how it turns out.
And yes, sadly, too many idiots buy Apple for the name/brand which is stupid, but so be it.
I didn't know there were many ex-Apple people on Android forums. I don't visit and pollute their forums with my viewpoints (or spam haha) but on Apple forums, theres quite a few dimwits from the Android population that are there just to spew crap.
But I will give credit to non-Apple users (and this point I've tried to relate to Apple fanboys but they're too stupid to get it) is that Apple users are the most technically malfunctioning people there are. An example: Won't boot up? Try going into system -> Run HD test and see if that fixes it. And thats ALL they know! Probably because they've enjoyed years of trouble free use, so no need to learn anything about computers.
But if a PC user asked this, the advice would range from the simple to the advanced quite intelligently.
So I'm thankful for my PC experience because it taught me a lot of things "under the hood".
Now I'm just rambling, so I'll finish here, but for the Android lovers, if it works for you and you're happy, then thats perfect! :)
That article relates to a BUG in the app, not actual malicious intent. Bloggers & Fox News e.t.c. and such always try to spin a story, or make a mountain out of a mole hill.
What a load of bollards! Sorry, but if you believe that it was just a 'bug' as opposed to its intended function (A trojan) then you are very naive! How can a simple 'bug' result in an app data-mining your phone and sending that info back???
In regards to the iPhones - or really Apple - their reliance now is on name and the fanbase. They have been playing catchup in regards to innovation and technology now for at least three years, and slowly more and more people are becoming to realise that. I hear all the time of ex-iPhone users switching to Android and being very happy, but very rarely do I hear it the other way around.
Apple products are 'cool', for users who want 'cool' products. But they are not good products any more, not when there are loads of other products out there that do more for less.
At least we can have a good guess the features in the the iPhone 7, there the ones included in the present Android models like wireless charging, decent camera, full HD screen with decent pixel density, decent battery etc
You know guys, if you're so happy with your Android stuff, I find it quite strange you have Apple devices laying about the place too?
Strange? Why? I have my iPod Touch too, before switched to something better. And no need to throw it away. Maybe the little boy from neighbourhood will be happy about a iPod as a gift for be brave?
I mean, I've switched from PC's after what? +25 years? and its a nice change, almost an upgrade you could say. I still have PC's laying about, but this is because my wife is stubborn and dosen't want to go to Mac, so I have no choice but to have these things.
But you guys of your own free will have bought what? iPhones, iPods and Mac mini's?
Free will vs stubborn wife? yeeees, sure!
I got my Apples for small money and though, they cannot be bad because all the world told me that Apple are so great. Do you want a eMac? for ? 150+P&P I can sell you mine. Switched it on maybe three times...
'm sure that Android and their smartphones have come a long way and some are probably quite good. So I bought an Android tablet to see what all the fuss is about - curiosity. My goodness what lag and bloody pop-ups all over the place. I admit its a cheapo tablet, but still you won't find this kind of experience with Apple devices.
Yes, cheapo tablets. Buy a Apple for the same price to compare. I have a Nexus 7 2013, currently a cheapo Tablet too (? 179), but that is a great experience. Try to update a newer iOS to a iPad 1 and see what you will get. Slooooow mooooootioooon.
But I will give credit to non-Apple users (and this point I've tried to relate to Apple fanboys but they're too stupid to get it) is that Apple users are the most technically malfunctioning people there are. An example: Won't boot up? Try going into system -> Run HD test and see if that fixes it. And thats ALL they know! Probably because they've enjoyed years of trouble free use, so no need to learn anything about computers.
Going into apple Store and asking about the crashes. Respones: Apple do not crash, they only do not react. Ha ha.
The system does not allow any further diagnosis. The system is too restricted.
Now I'm just rambling, so I'll finish here, but for the Android lovers, if it works for you and you're happy, then thats perfect! :)
Exact, but there are two kind of humans:
Apple Users and Free people.
Just installed a APK of a game that is not available in german Google Play. Try the same with iOS...
Heh... Yup, Nexus devices are well known for not having any SD storage -- but not because they want you to buy a bigger model. In the case of Google, it's because they want you to store more stuff in "the cloud" (i.e. on their servers), where they can use it to refine their ad targeting, etc.
Google deffo aren't cute, fluffy or non-evil. They're just a tiny bit less evil than Apple. Personally, I have an Android phone because android devices are the less sh?t option :)
Exactly, what are people thinking? :-?
The phone is large and thin - you'd think people would have a bit of common sense and not put it under too much pressure.
...but apparently not.
And lets not forget how unfair it is to bash Apple over something that is the individuals fault.
Apple are even offering *some* free warranty exchanges to bent phones after an inspection.
Just shows you that this company really cares about the consumer. They didn't have to offer an exchange, but are doing it out of good faith.
Another thing is, how the other companies, like LG,Blackberry,Samsung all make advertisements that spit at Apple, instead of focusing on their own products.
Apple dosen't make advertisements about the lack of quality&ingenuity of Android phones that swamp the market.
The only reason why Android phones sell is the price alone. If the prices was the same as Apple phones, no one would choose Android.
And this #bendgate nonsense is typical media blowing something up to ridiculous proportions because 3x stupid gangrene-in-the-head teenagers bent their phones through negligence.
A $100 wine glass will break if you also apply force to it.
Heh... Yup, Nexus devices are well known for not having any SD storage -- but not because they want you to buy a bigger model. In the case of Google, it's because they want you to store more stuff in "the cloud" (i.e. on their servers), where they can use it to refine their ad targeting, etc.
Google deffo aren't cute, fluffy or non-evil. They're just a tiny bit less evil than Apple. Personally, I have an Android phone because android devices are the less sh?t option :)
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Google does this all day long.
You really need to have checked your homework I'm sorry to say.
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Don't believe everything you read. Not that I have any proof to the contrary...but Apple probably use their data in ways you wouldn't want them to. Even if they saying they aren't.
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Google does this all day long.
You really need to have checked your homework I'm sorry to say.
He was talking about the Google Nexus and never mentioned Apple.
Just shows you that this company really cares about the consumer. They didn't have to offer an exchange, but are doing it out of good faith.
They can do it because of the massive amount of money they make on each device they sell. It's not because they care about the customer, they care about their brand image & perception. Effectively you're buying a phone for ?600, that costs ?200 to manufacture.
Even after paying U2 millions - that's still shed loads of wonga.
I do agree that people are stupid sitting down with any large phone in their pockets, and not expecting it to bend. A 5" and above phone - you need combat trousers!
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Google does this all day long.
You really need to have checked your homework I'm sorry to say.
Or... maybe you just need to read what I wrote instead of what you think I wrote.
I wasn't bashing Apple (although they thoroughly deserve it at every opportunity), I was bashing Google.
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iTunes is (as you say) a huge pile of sh**e, they don't let you expand the capacity with SD cards (they'd much rather you buy a bigger model). The latest models aren't ground breaking nor innovative and in fact offer the same (or even less) than the Samsung models for almost twice the price.
They offer no incentives to being a developer, with so many hoops to jump through before you app is accepted into the Apples store, it's no wonder so many developers are turning to Android.
No offence taken :)
Listen, the reason for the "hype" or enthusiasm about Apple products is that they are simply fantastic and fantastically simple.
When you've made the switch, you'll never go back, because everything just works.
To put it another way - when you go Apple - you spend time doing exactly what you want to do - whereas staying in the PC/Android platform, you spend your time trying to optimize, trying to install, trying to get it all to work.
Surely, the amount of fans and amount of usage is a true testament to their greatness. That should say all that needs to be said.
Yeah, iTunes is unfortunately a huge pile of crap on the PC. Its not properly integrated and it hogs system resources in the background.
Steve Jobs said - "iTunes on PC is like offering a cold glass of water to someone in hell"
meaning he thought that iTunes on PC was great and even said it was one of the most downloaded apps.
This is of course total rubbish!
About the App store not catering to developers. Thats the reason why the App store is great and many many apps adhere to a high quality of coding. Developers MUST adhere to rules and regulations, we surely don't want the market flooded with half-ass attempts at poor ****e programs that's like a plague on the Google Play store right?
If your app isn't up to scratch, then you should do something about it, to make it shine, so others will get some enjoyment from it as well :)
Unlike Apple which won't allow me to use my own data in the apps (i.e. music where I have to either a. buy from iTunes or b. convert mp3's to their proprietary format or play any ZX Spectrum game in Spectaculator). Oh dear you've bought into the hype hook, line and sinker. There is no hope for you...
Just like Apple maps :)
That's just plain not true though. Apple don't care as long as they get paid their developer license. If you then hack your half arsed app together from javascript and submit it they don't seem to care, or apparently even bother running the code to check it works.
Might have been the case with early versions of Android, but the apps I've installed (not that many I admit) - smooth to install, smooth to upgrade.
Verse 2 was something to do with never needing a bigger phone wasn't it? Oooops. Actually in this case I agree with Saint Steve - I prefer a small phone.
When the first iPhones came out - yep - quite happily admit I wanted one. Android was flakey, and most of the phones were pig ugly.
Of course some will prefer the iOS experience vs Android, as you clearly do, but the reality is they are both are good these days. Unless there are some iOS specific apps a punter "needs", you are paying for the privilege of owning Apple kit. The truth is that it's an aspirational badge/fashion accessory for a lot of people.
And you have to congratulate Apple, the amount of money they generate is truly amazing.
I mean, I've switched from PC's after what? +25 years? and its a nice change, almost an upgrade you could say. I still have PC's laying about, but this is because my wife is stubborn and dosen't want to go to Mac, so I have no choice but to have these things.
But you guys of your own free will have bought what? iPhones, iPods and Mac mini's?
'm sure that Android and their smartphones have come a long way and some are probably quite good. So I bought an Android tablet to see what all the fuss is about - curiosity. My goodness what lag and bloody pop-ups all over the place. I admit its a cheapo tablet, but still you won't find this kind of experience with Apple devices.
I do admit the competition is closing in on Apple fast and yes no company is perfect - Apple maps was a nice fat fail, refusing to make bigger phones for so long, imo, another nice big fail.
Making an iPad mini? Questionable.
Now the Apple watch? We'll see how it turns out.
And yes, sadly, too many idiots buy Apple for the name/brand which is stupid, but so be it.
I didn't know there were many ex-Apple people on Android forums. I don't visit and pollute their forums with my viewpoints (or spam haha) but on Apple forums, theres quite a few dimwits from the Android population that are there just to spew crap.
But I will give credit to non-Apple users (and this point I've tried to relate to Apple fanboys but they're too stupid to get it) is that Apple users are the most technically malfunctioning people there are. An example: Won't boot up? Try going into system -> Run HD test and see if that fixes it. And thats ALL they know! Probably because they've enjoyed years of trouble free use, so no need to learn anything about computers.
But if a PC user asked this, the advice would range from the simple to the advanced quite intelligently.
So I'm thankful for my PC experience because it taught me a lot of things "under the hood".
Now I'm just rambling, so I'll finish here, but for the Android lovers, if it works for you and you're happy, then thats perfect! :)
*cough* NEXUS *cough*
D.
What a load of bollards! Sorry, but if you believe that it was just a 'bug' as opposed to its intended function (A trojan) then you are very naive! How can a simple 'bug' result in an app data-mining your phone and sending that info back???
In regards to the iPhones - or really Apple - their reliance now is on name and the fanbase. They have been playing catchup in regards to innovation and technology now for at least three years, and slowly more and more people are becoming to realise that. I hear all the time of ex-iPhone users switching to Android and being very happy, but very rarely do I hear it the other way around.
Apple products are 'cool', for users who want 'cool' products. But they are not good products any more, not when there are loads of other products out there that do more for less.
Only a fool would disagree with that.
I got my Apples for small money and though, they cannot be bad because all the world told me that Apple are so great. Do you want a eMac? for ? 150+P&P I can sell you mine. Switched it on maybe three times... Yes, cheapo tablets. Buy a Apple for the same price to compare. I have a Nexus 7 2013, currently a cheapo Tablet too (? 179), but that is a great experience. Try to update a newer iOS to a iPad 1 and see what you will get. Slooooow mooooootioooon. Going into apple Store and asking about the crashes. Respones: Apple do not crash, they only do not react. Ha ha.
The system does not allow any further diagnosis. The system is too restricted. Exact, but there are two kind of humans:
Apple Users and Free people.
Just installed a APK of a game that is not available in german Google Play. Try the same with iOS...
Google deffo aren't cute, fluffy or non-evil. They're just a tiny bit less evil than Apple. Personally, I have an Android phone because android devices are the less sh?t option :)
:p
Trousers are too tight if you are bending phones.
The phone is large and thin - you'd think people would have a bit of common sense and not put it under too much pressure.
...but apparently not.
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I think that can be shown by those people who have tried using the microwave to recharge it.
Money is obviously no cure for stupidity.
Apple are even offering *some* free warranty exchanges to bent phones after an inspection.
Just shows you that this company really cares about the consumer. They didn't have to offer an exchange, but are doing it out of good faith.
Another thing is, how the other companies, like LG,Blackberry,Samsung all make advertisements that spit at Apple, instead of focusing on their own products.
Apple dosen't make advertisements about the lack of quality&ingenuity of Android phones that swamp the market.
The only reason why Android phones sell is the price alone. If the prices was the same as Apple phones, no one would choose Android.
And this #bendgate nonsense is typical media blowing something up to ridiculous proportions because 3x stupid gangrene-in-the-head teenagers bent their phones through negligence.
A $100 wine glass will break if you also apply force to it.
Actually Apple dosen't ever use your personal info to target ads or to give that information out to 3rd party apps and the like in order to target ads.
Google does this all day long.
You really need to have checked your homework I'm sorry to say.
Don't believe everything you read. Not that I have any proof to the contrary...but Apple probably use their data in ways you wouldn't want them to. Even if they saying they aren't.
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He was talking about the Google Nexus and never mentioned Apple.
They can do it because of the massive amount of money they make on each device they sell. It's not because they care about the customer, they care about their brand image & perception. Effectively you're buying a phone for ?600, that costs ?200 to manufacture.
Even after paying U2 millions - that's still shed loads of wonga.
I do agree that people are stupid sitting down with any large phone in their pockets, and not expecting it to bend. A 5" and above phone - you need combat trousers!
You sure? Checked your Apple EULA?
I wasn't bashing Apple (although they thoroughly deserve it at every opportunity), I was bashing Google.
I am an "equal opportunities" basher. :)