Genuinely confused by East Lothian's result as a no, as practically everyone I spoke to voted yes..with the exception of some of my own family members! But random people in the street were telling me they were voting yes and everything...So it's obviously all a big fix! :D
Apparently, polls strongly suggest that "No" support was highest amongst the over 60s; in fact if the result was based on the under 60 voters looks like "Yes" would have won. Many "No" voters were older and "invisible", socially.
Apparently, polls strongly suggest that "No" support was highest amongst the over 60s; in fact if the result was based on the under 60 voters looks like "Yes" would have won. Many "No" voters were older and "invisible", socially.
What has been a good natured party by Yes supporters which went on even today in George Sq. in Glasgow, a large group of Union Loyalists arrived and then got aggressive. Singing Rule Brittania, attacking people and doing Nazi salutes...in a war memorial of all places. F**king good one, you bunch of f**king c**nts.
A lot of "No" supporters on Twitter et al turning a blind eye to all this, or pretending that it's "both sides" or "neither".
I was arguing the other day with an English friend who lives in London and who accused the "Yes" side of "aggressive Nationalism" and I argued that there was much more of that on the "No" side. Nice, at least, to have my point made so pointedly this evening.
Apparently, polls strongly suggest that "No" support was highest amongst the over 60s; in fact if the result was based on the under 60 voters looks like "Yes" would have won. Many "No" voters were older and "invisible", socially.
A stat was mentioned on NPR last week that 2/3rds of 16/17 yr olds polled were going to vote no.
Trouble has broken out between the yes and no voters in George Square and is spreading to other streets in the city, people have been warned to stay away from the area.
Glasgow city centre is now closed off.
Just watched a Facebook video of some poor random guy getting kicked by a ned, if that was me i would have punched his ****ing head off!
It's ironic, because in the run up to the referendum the media often tried to make out that the Yes camp was overrun by aggressive, nationalistic thugs.
Finally, the real thing has arrived, but not in the colours expected.
Maybe, but it's certainly in the expected place. The UK's least peaceful city apparently.
A lot of "No" supporters on Twitter et al turning a blind eye to all this, or pretending that it's "both sides" or "neither".
I was arguing the other day with an English friend who lives in London and who accused the "Yes" side of "aggressive Nationalism" and I argued that there was much more of that on the "No" side. Nice, at least, to have my point made so pointedly this evening.
It's the opposite in Dundee. The Yes campaigners are seen everywhere trying to force their leaflets and opinions on others whil the No are invisible. They're worse than the religious nuts who used to stand outside Tesco with a loudspeaker.
I've not seen a No sticker/sign anywhere in the past 2 years.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
It's the opposite in Dundee. The Yes campaigners are seen everywhere trying to force their leaflets and opinions on others whil the No are invisible. They're worse than the religious nuts who used to stand outside Tesco with a loudspeaker.
There is no doubt that the Yes camp was more passionate, engaged, enthusiastic and excited about the possibility of a better future.
To the stolid, pragmatic No side, this seemed alien, and was sometimes interpreted as aggressive, nationalistic and scary.
Really, I think it showed a culture clash within Scotland.
The error is they try to match polled numbers prior to the election to actual numbers on election day. The polled numbers also predicted 50-50 outcome.
I'm curious as to why it was thought a good idea to grant voting powers to 16-17 year olds? I doubt many 18-21 year olds would be considered qualified to vote either but since they're legally treated as adults, the right should be theirs.
There is no doubt that the Yes camp was more passionate, engaged, enthusiastic and excited about the possibility of a better future.
To the stolid, pragmatic No side, this seemed alien, and was sometimes interpreted as aggressive, nationalistic and scary.
Really, I think it showed a culture clash within Scotland.
It was more than just being passionate. They'd actually follow people while arguing, intimidating, swearing and name calling. It's like football holliganism but without the violence.
There were a good number of Yes voters/campaigners that were civil and nice to everyone but unfortunately they were always outnumbered by the chav bunch. Everybody tried to avoid them, Yes voters included.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
It was more than just being passionate. They'd actually follow people while arguing, intimidating, swearing and name calling. It's like football holliganism but without the violence.
I'm in Aberdeen, and I didn't encounter any of that. In fact, the only anecdote of that type I've heard directly was from a friend who said she was shouted at abusively by a mad guy in a car park, telling her to take the Yes stickers off her car.
I'm curious as to why it was thought a good idea to grant voting powers to 16-17 year olds? I doubt many 18-21 year olds would be considered qualified to vote either but since they're legally treated as adults, the right should be theirs.
Because it's their future we're voting for....if it's legal for them to get married, why should it not be right for them to vote? They are old enough to have an opinion..I know I did at 16...and a lot of them would probably vote more thoughtfully than some of the 60+ voters!
As for 18 year olds, they can actually become candidates, so I'd definitely say they qualified to vote! :)
I wish it had gone the other way, somehow I feel it has played right into tories hands and we're all borked
I dunno - Brown seems to have been the only "Westminster" style polititian who seems to have come out of this debate with any success....perhaps aided by being able to start from such a low opinion
Couple that with the result and you have to wonder what Salmond and his essentially single issue party (get independence) are going to do now their constituents have said they don't want that independence.
By that logic you'd think labour would be happiest about the future, as their man made an impact and the other two parties are tainted by being in power currently
I was in a meeting yesterday with some parcel companies and they were gutted NO won. They were going make a fortune charging international rates for deliveries to Scotland.
I'm in Aberdeen, and I didn't encounter any of that. In fact, the only anecdote of that type I've heard directly was from a friend who said she was shouted at abusively by a mad guy in a car park, telling her to take the Yes stickers off her car.
Aye, but we're in the Yes capital.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
I dunno - Brown seems to have been the only "Westminster" style polititian who seems to have come out of this debate with any success....perhaps aided by being able to start from such a low opinion
Couple that with the result and you have to wonder what Salmond and his essentially single issue party (get independence) are going to do now their constituents have said they don't want that independence.
By that logic you'd think labour would be happiest about the future, as their man made an impact and the other two parties are tainted by being in power currently
Agree with this, especially the bits I've put in bold.
I would like to see a poll conducted of the No voters to see if Mr Brown's speech made any difference at all. Somehow, I wonder if it could've had that much of an impact.
Remember The Sun bluffing "it was The Sun what won it" and somehow politicians believed them?
I would like to see a poll conducted of the No voters to see if Mr Brown's speech made any difference at all. Somehow, I wonder if it could've had that much of an impact.
Remember The Sun bluffing "it was The Sun what won it" and somehow politicians believed them?
It would be interesting....though I wonder whether the kind of people who could have been swung by it.....will not think they were swung by it because the media say they were
I would like to see a poll conducted of the No voters to see if Mr Brown's speech made any difference at all. Somehow, I wonder if it could've had that much of an impact.
The No voters I know either hadn't seen the speech or it didn't even help them decide as they'd already decided before. Some of the Yes voters I know didn't care what he had to say and didn't even bother trying to find out.
I think most people's votes were decided long before the face-offs.
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
I think most people's votes were decided long before the face-offs.
yup, and glasgow used to like labour, and because they are too much like the tories , they vote for SNP intead.
I would have been more suprised if it had changed, solely because it was the great unknown.. bit like the mayor of london, red ken used to know the facts of stuff when asked without asking someone he deligated to , while bojo does a good game of wif-waf
I was in a meeting yesterday with some parcel companies and they were gutted NO won. They were going make a fortune charging international rates for deliveries to Scotland.
If they have that approach to business it wont be long before they go tits up.
i come from a place called not england, but when we managed to get them out we replaced the england overlords with the not england overlords. it made no difference to the common slob. it's not the scots against the english, christians against islam, west against east where the fight lies, but the rich against the poor.
the rich control the tootless (to quoteFran?ois Hollande) not by open war anymore, but by letting them fight among themselves.
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Apparently, polls strongly suggest that "No" support was highest amongst the over 60s; in fact if the result was based on the under 60 voters looks like "Yes" would have won. Many "No" voters were older and "invisible", socially.
A lot of "No" supporters on Twitter et al turning a blind eye to all this, or pretending that it's "both sides" or "neither".
I was arguing the other day with an English friend who lives in London and who accused the "Yes" side of "aggressive Nationalism" and I argued that there was much more of that on the "No" side. Nice, at least, to have my point made so pointedly this evening.
Depends. "No" campaign was very negative and targetted peoples' insecurities, especially with regards to pensions and the like.
A stat was mentioned on NPR last week that 2/3rds of 16/17 yr olds polled were going to vote no.
Naw.
Just watched a Facebook video of some poor random guy getting kicked by a ned, if that was me i would have punched his ****ing head off!
It's the opposite in Dundee. The Yes campaigners are seen everywhere trying to force their leaflets and opinions on others whil the No are invisible. They're worse than the religious nuts who used to stand outside Tesco with a loudspeaker.
I've not seen a No sticker/sign anywhere in the past 2 years.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
There is no doubt that the Yes camp was more passionate, engaged, enthusiastic and excited about the possibility of a better future.
To the stolid, pragmatic No side, this seemed alien, and was sometimes interpreted as aggressive, nationalistic and scary.
Really, I think it showed a culture clash within Scotland.
That data looks doubtful given Scotland's age demographic.
The error is they try to match polled numbers prior to the election to actual numbers on election day. The polled numbers also predicted 50-50 outcome.
I'm curious as to why it was thought a good idea to grant voting powers to 16-17 year olds? I doubt many 18-21 year olds would be considered qualified to vote either but since they're legally treated as adults, the right should be theirs.
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It was a poll of 2000 people conducted by Lord Ashcroft after the referendum. The full results can be found here:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2014/09/scotland-voted/
There were a good number of Yes voters/campaigners that were civil and nice to everyone but unfortunately they were always outnumbered by the chav bunch. Everybody tried to avoid them, Yes voters included.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
I'm in Aberdeen, and I didn't encounter any of that. In fact, the only anecdote of that type I've heard directly was from a friend who said she was shouted at abusively by a mad guy in a car park, telling her to take the Yes stickers off her car.
Because it's their future we're voting for....if it's legal for them to get married, why should it not be right for them to vote? They are old enough to have an opinion..I know I did at 16...and a lot of them would probably vote more thoughtfully than some of the 60+ voters!
As for 18 year olds, they can actually become candidates, so I'd definitely say they qualified to vote! :)
I dunno - Brown seems to have been the only "Westminster" style polititian who seems to have come out of this debate with any success....perhaps aided by being able to start from such a low opinion
Couple that with the result and you have to wonder what Salmond and his essentially single issue party (get independence) are going to do now their constituents have said they don't want that independence.
By that logic you'd think labour would be happiest about the future, as their man made an impact and the other two parties are tainted by being in power currently
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
I'm beginning to think the same thing.
It sums up politics and made me :lol: and feel :(
Remember The Sun bluffing "it was The Sun what won it" and somehow politicians believed them?
It would be interesting....though I wonder whether the kind of people who could have been swung by it.....will not think they were swung by it because the media say they were
my brain hurts lol
I think most people's votes were decided long before the face-offs.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
yup, and glasgow used to like labour, and because they are too much like the tories , they vote for SNP intead.
I would have been more suprised if it had changed, solely because it was the great unknown.. bit like the mayor of london, red ken used to know the facts of stuff when asked without asking someone he deligated to , while bojo does a good game of wif-waf
If they have that approach to business it wont be long before they go tits up.
the rich control the tootless (to quote Fran?ois Hollande) not by open war anymore, but by letting them fight among themselves.