+2 Grey - low 128k sound volume

edited December 2014 in Hardware
I'm trying to revive my old grey +2....

First problem was a faulty RF signal, so I bought a SCART cable from Retro Computer Shack on e-bay (it's the one with the 3.5mm jack on it that plugs into the sound output on the +2 to take the audio to the SCART socket). The RF box has now been completely disconnected.

When I first used the SCART cable I had "wobbly" interference on the image, I've discovered that removing capacitor C31 as described here http://hw.speccy.cz/plus2mod.html has made the image rock solid. :D

There was also a bit of interference on the sound initially, but disconnecting the tape deck has removed that - I have a DivIDE and don't need the tape anyway.

The problem that I have now is that the sound volume from the AY-3-8912 chip is very low when compared with the 48k sound effects. If I turn the TV volume up so I can hear the 128k music, the 48k sound is way too loud. For example, the music in Renegade is very low when compared to the punching/kicking sound effects.

It was like this even with C31 in place, I think that all C31 does is mix the sound in with the RF signal so I don't think removing this has caused it.

Any ideas on how I can fix this? Is it possible to boost the 128k sound volume?
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  • edited December 2012
    Yes, it's quite possible. All 128/+2s are like this.

    Look on the schematic and you'll see that the AY sound is mixed with the 48k sound with a large resistor, 10k or something. I put a variable resistor with the same value across this resistor, then I run a test program which BEEPs and PLAYs alternately in BASIC, allowing me to tune the volume.
    Be aware, though, if you set the 128k too loud you'll get distortion in the 48k (and possibly the 28k).

    If you need help, ask me for more info. :)

    Good luck!
  • edited December 2012
    Thanks for the information, but I'm going to need some more help with this, my electronics skills only go as far as being able to solder.

    After reading this page www.worldofspectrum.org/faq/reference/pinouts.htm
    The audio can be taken from the MIC socket but a better balance between 48K and 128K sound is obtained directly from pin 5 of IC38.

    I'm assuming this is for the 128k Spectrum and not the +2 as I am unable to locate IC38 on the board, I can see IC11 which is the same IC (MC1376P) though! Can I solder a 3.5mm socket to that or is that a bad idea? :-o

    Your advice to use a variable resistor is great, but since I can't understand schematics I'm struggling to locate the large resistor of which you speak!
  • edited December 2012
    On the +2 you are looking for R38, which is an 18k resistor which goes to pin 5 of IC11.

    The sound circuit on the toastrack is different anyway, with resistors in different places.

    http://alistairtesting.no-ip.org/r38.jpg (random board photo pinched from google images)
  • edited December 2012
    Great, so I found R38 on the board, I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do with it. Am I just replacing this resistor with a potentiometer?

    Spirantho said "I put a variable resistor with the same value across this resistor". I'm not sure what that means!

    Thanks for all the help, very informative! :D
  • edited December 2012
    mappy24 wrote: »
    Great, so I found R38 on the board, I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do with it. Am I just replacing this resistor with a potentiometer?

    Spirantho said "I put a variable resistor with the same value across this resistor". I'm not sure what that means!

    Thanks for all the help, very informative! :D

    I assume he means removing that and replacing it with a potentiometer, if you put it in parallel you'd only ever get it up to half that value.
  • edited January 2013
    Silly question - I'm looking at 20k potentiometers and they have three legs for soldering, two legs on one side and one on the other side, in the middle.

    Where does the third leg go? :-?
  • edited January 2013
    The middle leg is the wiper, which is where your variable resistance comes off. The two outside legs have a constant resistance between them. Generally you want to connect the constant resistance of the potentiometer across where you want the resistor, then take the wiper to one or other side.
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    Like that.
  • edited January 2013
    You don't need to remove the resistor... even half the value I find is still too much!
    Sounds like you're on the right track....
  • edited January 2013
    I replaced R38 with a 10k variable resistor, no joy.....the sound levels are the same even with no resistance. I've no idea where I've went wrong, everything looks OK :confused:
  • edited January 2013
    Can you show us a picture of your mod?
  • edited May 2013
    Sorry for not updating this in a while!

    My +2 grey is connected via RGB and the sound coming out of the 3.5mm socket, not via RF.

    Is R38 the correct resistor to be messing with or does R38 only affect the volume over RF?
  • edited December 2014
    Digging out this old thread. I thought I?ve seen all the common problems with the grey +2, but today I got corrected. This is a grey 128 +2 issue 3 and I found that TR4 was the wrong way around (no surprise), so I replaced it with a new one and with the right orientation. Using my RGB-SCART cable with sound from the 3.5mm socket now, I found that the AY sound was incredibly low in volume. On all my other grey +2 Spectrums I never came across that. So it?s not a problem on all the issue 3 mainboards? The right way to fix would be to replace three resistors, as shown on Scott's (German) web site:
    http://s-huehn.de/spectrum/hardware1.htm#sp+2b ?

    He changes R80 to 330K, R45 to 39K and R37 to 3,3K. Is this the way you normally fix the problem or do you prefer a different attempt?
  • edited December 2014
    All grey +2s are like that - not sure why you've not noticed before! It only happens through the sound socket, though - RF is fine.

    I just stick a 10K variable resistor across the resistor (R37 I think it is on a +2) and change the volume using a short BASIC program which alternately "PLAY"s and "BEEP"s the same note (roughly). When the 128K is too loud, the 48K will start to distort, so you need to find a good balance, but it can be done!

    There's the same problem on the Toastrack, by the way.
  • edited December 2014
    Thanks Ian! This totally surprises me. I have three grey +2 and I had at least another three ones, that I sold. On most I had to turn TR4, but none of them had such low sound volume. I always used the Retrocomputershack RGB-SCART cable with the plug for the sound socket.

    Your approach is interesting, but would the one I wrote give different/worse/better results? Of course it?s more work. Scott states in his page that R80 would be for EAR, R45 for MIC and Beeper and R37 for the AY.
  • edited December 2014
    I would like to correct the sound balance on my 128 Toastrack, but I am a novice and have never soldered anything as intricate as Spectrum. Is it right that the safest route for me is to swap one of the resistors with a potentiometer, and adjust it in a BASIC program?
  • edited December 2014
    Can't speak for the toastrack yet, however I've changed R45 out for a 22k resistor with excellent results on two +2 greys.

    Both of these were Z70700 Issue 1's, where R45 is in a different location to the official schematics which refer to the Z70500 issue 3 board. On the Z70700's, R45 is the resistor immediately north west of the 8 way keyboard connector, standard resistor value here is 10k from the factory.

    Apparently R115 is the resistor to change on the toastrack, connect two 3.3k resistors in parallel here (achieving a resistance of approx. 1.65k). As stated above, can't personally vouch for this though.

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  • edited December 2014
    Thanks, I'll look into that :)
  • edited December 2014
    How about Ben's new stereo kit? Isn't it the best way to correct sound balance in 128K's (toastracks)?
  • edited December 2014
    That is true, I've installed one in a +3 with excellent results. Just couldn't bring myself to drilling a hole in a toastrack case though :)

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