"I'm as serious as cancer when I say rhythm is a dancer"
is there a worse lyric than this?
To be fair to Snap, they half-inched the "serious as cancer" line off either Long Island rappers JVC Force, or Rakim (of Eric B and... fame). The difference is, Rakim and the guy out of JVC Force could deliver the line without sounding like a complete bell-end.
And I know this isn't a 'classic', but Rhythm Is A Dancer is in my personal bottom ten tunes (the other nine are Rock DJ by Robbie Williams, and eight Scouting For Girls songs). It's one of those songs that if it comes on the radio I have to turn off immediately - in fact, if I was about to crash into an oil tanker and had the choice of swerving to avoid sudden death or turning off the radio because Rhythm Is A Dancer had just come on the radio, I'd have a tough choice to make.
Prententious means pretending to have greater merit or importance than you actually have.
Pavement WERE, by most critical accounts, one of the best bands of the 90s; and made 2 (possibly 3) of the best rock albums of all time.
Malkmus's lyrics are often oblique, but that is a different thing altogether than pretention
I couldn't bloody stand them to be honest, they came across as self righteous college rock types to me. They may have been intending to be ironic in some way, but it just annoyed me.
One prime example is Cut your hair, ooh in the video one of them has a gorilla suit on, and they're sitting in the barbers......that's hilarious that is!
I couldn't bloody stand them to be honest, they came across as self righteous college rock types to me. They may have been intending to be ironic in some way, but it just annoyed me.
One prime example is Cut your hair, ooh in the video one of them has a gorilla suit on, and they're sitting in the barbers......that's hilarious that is!
Music videos are never that good...even the biggest stars with loads of money to burn made toe-curling videos. About the only person to even approach getting the music video (occasionally) right was Bowie: Jean Genie, Ashes To Ashes, Jump They Say (the last decent video). And that is out of a lot of videos, most of which were poor.
So, yeah, Pavement's videos were terrible. Cut Your Hair is a great song though, on a great album. The point of their videos (as with most cheap made videos) was purely so the record was available to be played on TV. Malkmus said on many occasions that he never enjoyed the process; and it was something that was not in the band's control.
Self-Righteous? I never got that feeling from pavement, either their songs (which were not overtly moralizing in tone) or in the attitude of the band - in what way do you mean they were self-righteous (in say, a way that a band you like are not)? What did they do to make them give that impression?
Self-Righteous? I never got that feeling from pavement, either their songs (which were not overtly moralizing in tone) or in the attitude of the band - in what way do you mean they were self-righteous (in say, a way that a band you like are not)? What did they do to make them give that impression?
I'm not necessarily sure if they are self righteous college rock types, I'm just saying that's how they came across. As if they thought they were a bit good, which I'm sure a lot of people think they are, but I'm not one of them.
Their tunes annoyed me, several alt/indie bands were around at the same time that were just as annoying, and there were plenty that were around before that were better.
I also had to endure countless fop haired knob ends at school babbling on about how great they were. I was into hardcore before then, I was into hardcore then, and even though I'm 36 years old now I'm still into it now. Oh and before anybody jumps me about the hardcore scene being full of self-righteous knobs I'm well aware that it is. Although I mainly listened to hip-hop back then though, and I'm sure the knives will come flying towards me for that little admission ;)
So don't take this semi-rant as me saying nobody is allowed to like Pavement, I'm just saying they're not for me.
I'm not necessarily sure if they are self righteous college rock types, I'm just saying that's how they came across. As if they thought they were a bit good,
ah! Malkmus KNEW Pavement were good, he had a belief that he was making the best pop records of that era. He would say so. I think history has somewhat proven him right, his records are very highly critically acclaimed; and have certainly aged very well, which is always a sign of a classic.
So he had a lot of self-belief, but I don't think he ever came across as self-righteous? Maybe you are thinking self-righteous means something that it doesn't and just didn't like his self-belief?
I get what you are saying about not liking the indie "scene" at that time, especially if you were into another scene. I wasn't really into any scene - I would go to hardcore nights (the Palace at Aldershot on Thursdays - what a ****ing hole, took several drug deaths and violent beatings to close it); me and my mates would drive up to the Hacienda in Manchester on Thursday night, stay till morning, then drive 4 hours back to work for 9; I'd also go to the Astoria and Shepherds Bush Empire to see bands like Pavement. Moving to Sydney, I hung out at the Blackmarket, which was notorious for all types of activity (I mean ALL types - if consenting adults could do it to each other, it happened there), until it too was forced to close. I liked skirting all types of scenes. Now I hear Madame Jojos is closing! People's expectation of a night out has become very safe and sterile!
Now I am old and can't be bothered. :(
Pavement were big enough to sell lots of records (I guess most of their albums were million sellers); sell out large gigs (Brixton); play high on the bill at festivals; but also small enough not to be on constant rotation on Radio 1; nor be on the pub jukebox, nor be well known outside people that were "in" to music. So they probably pissed people off that wanted them to remain small and private to them; and pissed people of that thought them uppity and too big for their boots (and just didn't like the music).
I just love their records. ****ing amazing.
buying advice. Don't get the Parquet Courts albums.
Nothing wrong with hip hop, by the way, I love it. I like all types of music. Well, nearly all types. Is struggle with opera, but want to like it because I can appreciate the skill and art involved, but I think to properly appreciate it takes so much investment with time and involvement?
Cant get into opera either...in fact I find it disturbing that anyone could enjoy it tbh
about pavement I think it was the melody maker review of wowee zowee that summed it up best when they said (possibly not exact wording): "Is this a load of art w**k? Yes, but of the very best kind" :lol:
hmm just listened to 'hair cut' my first time listening to pavement, didn't like it. But I didn't like Blur either, who were supposed to have ripped them off.
Can you dance is a little vague afterall, and although I figured it may be something awful I have nobody but myself to blame for clicking the link.
Next time you should post a big red button with "DO NOT PRESS!" written next to it :p
haha :smile:
I figured if one is reading the thread, one's prepared to take the risk. To me it's rather funny. I can't remember for sure if I even had heard it before, or just some newsreaders singing it, or something. My head's a sieve. I didn't even remember it just chanced upon it after reading the thread.
I think it might have been down to these two, that as a child I nearly always refered to all women as ladies, much to everyone's amusement, and seems to have shaped my encounters with women ever since. I may have requested at one point it to be banned in the UK :lol:
Though for the most part I always quite liked Kate Bush
Cant watch/hear any kate bush without thinking of Alan Partridge doing that medley of her songs :)
My brothers a massive kate bush fan and went to her recent live show thing, i respect her as an interesting off-the-wall kind ofl artist but its not really my cup of herbal tea
hmm just listened to 'hair cut' my first time listening to pavement, didn't like it. But I didn't like Blur either, who were supposed to have ripped them off.
it wouldn't be the first song I would recommend if you had never heard of them;
People normally get into a certain band by their most accessible music, then work into it; and then prefer the more obscure stuff which tends to be the bands DNA, as it were. Cut Your Hair is from Crooked Rain; I'd probably recommened Gold Soundz and Range Life from that album first; or Here or Summer Babe from Slanted; If you don't like them, then you are probably not going to like any of their music (because those songs are the most poppy) - and probably don't like that genre of music at all?
I only have one Pavement album in my collection - Brighten the Corners - which is absolutely fantastic, and pretty accessible I would say. Not a duff track on there.
Whenever I hear a Rush song on the radio, I think of that bit in Stereo - "What about the voice of Geddy Lee?" :)
Yeah brighten the corners is definitely their best one imo. Seem to remember NME only gave it 6/10! The one after it Terror Twilight is similar but less great. I think they split at exactly the right time...
Though for the most part I always quite liked Kate Bush
Cant watch/hear any kate bush without thinking of Alan Partridge doing that medley of her songs :smile:
Just looked that up. Not sure about Steve Coogan, but I think Alan Partridge may not quite understand her songs. :lol:
It's what might be termed Art Rock - Kate Bush that is, not Alan Partridge.
I should have said almost throwing a fit. It was after I admitted I wanted to be a double bass, that I threw a fit.
Awww, anything of her music that I heard always made impact on me, and I liked her vocals, though I did my own share of impressions I don't like to see her made fun of now.:cry:
Yeah brighten the corners is definitely their best one imo. Seem to remember NME only gave it 6/10! The one after it Terror Twilight is similar but less great. I think they split at exactly the right time...
yes
I saw them a few times on the 'Farewell Horizontal' tour; and the mood every time was subdued. They played lots of the slower songs, and the more upbeat poppy songs were toned right down. It was a shame when comparing it to the exhuberance of their early shows. The magic had definitely gone.
On their very last show*, at Brixton, which was desperately disappointing, Malkmus had handcuffs on the mic stand and generally refused to even look at his band mates.
Still waiting for the expanded version of Terror Twilight. All the other expanded versions have been great: a real example of how to do that. Domino are a great record company, and really know how to give the fans what they want.
*Apart from the short reunion tour a little while back.
Awww, anything of her music that I heard always made impact on me, and I liked her vocals, though I did my own share of impressions I don't like to see her made fun of now.:cry:
I've read that Coogan is a big kate bush fan, so I'm sure it's good natured. He's making fun of partridge really
Still waiting for the expanded version of Terror Twilight. All the other expanded versions have been great: a real example of how to do that. Domino are a great record company, and really know how to give the fans what they want.
yes those expanded versions are probably the best Ive seen for any album reissues of that kind tbh. I had a couple of the peel sessions taped off at the time but threw all my tapes out years ago so good to hear them again
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Originally Posted by dmsmith Awww, anything of her music that I heard always made impact on me, and I liked her vocals, though I did my own share of impressions I don't like to see her made fun of now.:cry:
I've read that Coogan is a big kate bush fan,
so I'm sure it's good natured. He's making fun of partridge really.
He's making fun of something, me probably :-)
When I worked in retail Partridge made it impossible for me to say to customers: "bear with me" :lol:
Which is really annoying, though quite funny too.
And we couldn't sell the new longer mars bars either!
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Pretentious...
or something ;-)
One thing that Pavement were not is pretentious.
Prententious means pretending to have greater merit or importance than you actually have.
Pavement WERE, by most critical accounts, one of the best bands of the 90s; and made 2 (possibly 3) of the best rock albums of all time.
Malkmus's lyrics are often oblique, but that is a different thing altogether than pretention
That works for me-AH!
Yes... I remember reading in the NME that Malkmus supports, of all people, Luton Town! Presumably he's never actually been to Luton... :lol:
High Llamas! Haven't heard them for ages.
I like how this thread has turned from cack lyrics to a 90s music love-fest already :)
To be fair to Snap, they half-inched the "serious as cancer" line off either Long Island rappers JVC Force, or Rakim (of Eric B and... fame). The difference is, Rakim and the guy out of JVC Force could deliver the line without sounding like a complete bell-end.
And I know this isn't a 'classic', but Rhythm Is A Dancer is in my personal bottom ten tunes (the other nine are Rock DJ by Robbie Williams, and eight Scouting For Girls songs). It's one of those songs that if it comes on the radio I have to turn off immediately - in fact, if I was about to crash into an oil tanker and had the choice of swerving to avoid sudden death or turning off the radio because Rhythm Is A Dancer had just come on the radio, I'd have a tough choice to make.
I couldn't bloody stand them to be honest, they came across as self righteous college rock types to me. They may have been intending to be ironic in some way, but it just annoyed me.
One prime example is Cut your hair, ooh in the video one of them has a gorilla suit on, and they're sitting in the barbers......that's hilarious that is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuFn0RPgaE
NOOOOO! I didn't even have to wait for the video to play!
Now I have that awful song embedded in my brain AAAAAGH!
I'm not really sure to be honest?
Can you dance is a little vague afterall, and although I figured it may be something awful I have nobody but myself to blame for clicking the link.
Next time you should post a big red button with "DO NOT PRESS!" written next to it :p
Music videos are never that good...even the biggest stars with loads of money to burn made toe-curling videos. About the only person to even approach getting the music video (occasionally) right was Bowie: Jean Genie, Ashes To Ashes, Jump They Say (the last decent video). And that is out of a lot of videos, most of which were poor.
So, yeah, Pavement's videos were terrible. Cut Your Hair is a great song though, on a great album. The point of their videos (as with most cheap made videos) was purely so the record was available to be played on TV. Malkmus said on many occasions that he never enjoyed the process; and it was something that was not in the band's control.
Self-Righteous? I never got that feeling from pavement, either their songs (which were not overtly moralizing in tone) or in the attitude of the band - in what way do you mean they were self-righteous (in say, a way that a band you like are not)? What did they do to make them give that impression?
I'm not necessarily sure if they are self righteous college rock types, I'm just saying that's how they came across. As if they thought they were a bit good, which I'm sure a lot of people think they are, but I'm not one of them.
Their tunes annoyed me, several alt/indie bands were around at the same time that were just as annoying, and there were plenty that were around before that were better.
I also had to endure countless fop haired knob ends at school babbling on about how great they were. I was into hardcore before then, I was into hardcore then, and even though I'm 36 years old now I'm still into it now. Oh and before anybody jumps me about the hardcore scene being full of self-righteous knobs I'm well aware that it is. Although I mainly listened to hip-hop back then though, and I'm sure the knives will come flying towards me for that little admission ;)
So don't take this semi-rant as me saying nobody is allowed to like Pavement, I'm just saying they're not for me.
ah! Malkmus KNEW Pavement were good, he had a belief that he was making the best pop records of that era. He would say so. I think history has somewhat proven him right, his records are very highly critically acclaimed; and have certainly aged very well, which is always a sign of a classic.
So he had a lot of self-belief, but I don't think he ever came across as self-righteous? Maybe you are thinking self-righteous means something that it doesn't and just didn't like his self-belief?
I get what you are saying about not liking the indie "scene" at that time, especially if you were into another scene. I wasn't really into any scene - I would go to hardcore nights (the Palace at Aldershot on Thursdays - what a ****ing hole, took several drug deaths and violent beatings to close it); me and my mates would drive up to the Hacienda in Manchester on Thursday night, stay till morning, then drive 4 hours back to work for 9; I'd also go to the Astoria and Shepherds Bush Empire to see bands like Pavement. Moving to Sydney, I hung out at the Blackmarket, which was notorious for all types of activity (I mean ALL types - if consenting adults could do it to each other, it happened there), until it too was forced to close. I liked skirting all types of scenes. Now I hear Madame Jojos is closing! People's expectation of a night out has become very safe and sterile!
Now I am old and can't be bothered. :(
Pavement were big enough to sell lots of records (I guess most of their albums were million sellers); sell out large gigs (Brixton); play high on the bill at festivals; but also small enough not to be on constant rotation on Radio 1; nor be on the pub jukebox, nor be well known outside people that were "in" to music. So they probably pissed people off that wanted them to remain small and private to them; and pissed people of that thought them uppity and too big for their boots (and just didn't like the music).
I just love their records. ****ing amazing.
buying advice. Don't get the Parquet Courts albums.
Nothing wrong with hip hop, by the way, I love it. I like all types of music. Well, nearly all types. Is struggle with opera, but want to like it because I can appreciate the skill and art involved, but I think to properly appreciate it takes so much investment with time and involvement?
about pavement I think it was the melody maker review of wowee zowee that summed it up best when they said (possibly not exact wording): "Is this a load of art w**k? Yes, but of the very best kind" :lol:
haha :smile:
I figured if one is reading the thread, one's prepared to take the risk. To me it's rather funny. I can't remember for sure if I even had heard it before, or just some newsreaders singing it, or something. My head's a sieve. I didn't even remember it just chanced upon it after reading the thread.
I think it might have been down to these two, that as a child I nearly always refered to all women as ladies, much to everyone's amusement, and seems to have shaped my encounters with women ever since. I may have requested at one point it to be banned in the UK :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xckBwPdo1c
Though for the most part I always quite liked Kate Bush
Cant watch/hear any kate bush without thinking of Alan Partridge doing that medley of her songs :)
My brothers a massive kate bush fan and went to her recent live show thing, i respect her as an interesting off-the-wall kind ofl artist but its not really my cup of herbal tea
or this...
(not really)
I guess shes quite an obvious target for parodying
it wouldn't be the first song I would recommend if you had never heard of them;
People normally get into a certain band by their most accessible music, then work into it; and then prefer the more obscure stuff which tends to be the bands DNA, as it were. Cut Your Hair is from Crooked Rain; I'd probably recommened Gold Soundz and Range Life from that album first; or Here or Summer Babe from Slanted; If you don't like them, then you are probably not going to like any of their music (because those songs are the most poppy) - and probably don't like that genre of music at all?
Whenever I hear a Rush song on the radio, I think of that bit in Stereo - "What about the voice of Geddy Lee?" :)
yes
I saw them a few times on the 'Farewell Horizontal' tour; and the mood every time was subdued. They played lots of the slower songs, and the more upbeat poppy songs were toned right down. It was a shame when comparing it to the exhuberance of their early shows. The magic had definitely gone.
On their very last show*, at Brixton, which was desperately disappointing, Malkmus had handcuffs on the mic stand and generally refused to even look at his band mates.
Still waiting for the expanded version of Terror Twilight. All the other expanded versions have been great: a real example of how to do that. Domino are a great record company, and really know how to give the fans what they want.
*Apart from the short reunion tour a little while back.
yes those expanded versions are probably the best Ive seen for any album reissues of that kind tbh. I had a couple of the peel sessions taped off at the time but threw all my tapes out years ago so good to hear them again
nice idea.... Unless you're a copper.
or a dominatrix.
(or both) :-D
Originally Posted by dmsmith
Awww, anything of her music that I heard always made impact on me, and I liked her vocals, though I did my own share of impressions I don't like to see her made fun of now.:cry:
I've read that Coogan is a big kate bush fan,
so I'm sure it's good natured. He's making fun of partridge really.
He's making fun of something, me probably :-)
When I worked in retail Partridge made it impossible for me to say to customers: "bear with me" :lol:
Which is really annoying, though quite funny too.
And we couldn't sell the new longer mars bars either!