It's true many games settled with hardware sprites, multiplexed or not. That don't mean the c64 couldn't do software sprites. Have a look at Bubble Bobble, that game has a crazy amount of non-flickering sprites, that can be anywhere on the screen too. The spectrum version, altough being very good for the machine looks quite poor next to it. It even have some colours, spritecount could maybe even be more than in the c64 version, but it fastly becomes impossible to see what's going on with sprites that overlaps each others with black squares around them.
It's true many games settled with hardware sprites, multiplexed or not. That don't mean the c64 couldn't do software sprites. Have a look at Bubble Bobble, that game has a crazy amount of non-flickering sprites, that can be anywhere on the screen too. The spectrum version, altough being very good for the machine looks quite poor next to it. It even have some colours, spritecount could maybe even be more than in the c64 version, but it fastly becomes impossible to see what's going on with sprites that overlaps each others with black squares around them.
Just like Bubble Bobble and Donkey Kong, the c64 versions of many games might have lower resolutions than their spectrum counterparts, but the multicolour still gives them more detail!
The spectrum version, altough being very good for the machine looks quite poor next to it.
Hmm, that's all I'm hearing from you C64'rs. "The Spectrum does as good a job as it can, what with it being poor 'n' all."
Your argument can only hang on personal taste, and I get it that you really hate Spectrum graphics.
Bubble Bobble is another great game on all systems. Anyone who really plays games surely can't deny that. There are no limitations, no drawbacks, no poor choices. If you honestly can't see that, then you've never actually "played" these games. You're biased to C64. Fine, but it isn't doing you any favours here.
Anything can be done differently, but I get that you don't like things as they are. Well it ain't gonna change. Speccy games will always be beautiful to me, and ugly to you.
For Bubble Bobble, I'll always load up the Speccy one first, then move onto the PlayStation compilation. Both equally good. I like the C64 one too. Which is better? For me, none. All good stuff.
Your argument can only hang on personal taste, and I get it that you really hate Spectrum graphics.
Not at all, i just think the c64 is better at most games and doing okay at the games where it isn't.
But here are a few games i think is better on the spectrum, some because the faster cpu, some because the c64 had lazy ports.
Manic Miner
Jet Set Willy
Brian Bloodaxe
Bomb Jack
Head over Heels
Underwurlde
Sabre Wulf
Fairlight
The Great Escape
Jetpac
Highway Encounter
Bruce Lee
Nightshade
Cobra
There's more, i'm sure, but i'm too tired to think right now. Also being a big fan of isometric games there were lots of those the c64 never got.
Well it's proved that really are some deluded Commode-users out there, which is a shame. I didn't quite expect that. But if anything it's also made it clear how much more well-balanced a machine the Spectrum is. It's also brought me to a new posting-mark, which is always nice.
The trend, and pressure, on video games, since their inception, was on increasing the visual and sonic quality. Every generation of machine has increased the potential in those areas (except the spectrum line, which doggedly stuck to its poor colour handling and limited graphics throughout the 80s).
A lot of us here took those computers, and used them to emulate the Speccy. Eventually using them to scour the internet to get hold a Speccy and Speccy games again. :roll:
Well it's proved that really are some deluded Commode-users out there, which is a shame. I didn't quite expect that. But if anything it's also made it clear how much more well-balanced a machine the Spectrum is. It's also brought me to a new posting-mark, which is always nice.
Unless you live in your own little bubble you should have expected it. The rest of the world outside England chose c64 after all, even if it were more expensive. I guess we weren't blindfolded by "oh it's local, it got to be better!". I doubt there is many more of you outside of this forum, even in England, so you're quite alone on this one. But go ahead and play your "better" games completely disregarding the c64 because of a 30 year old grudge. Childish, some would say. Me? I'm going to continue enjoying both machines!
Unless you live in your own little bubble you should have expected it. The rest of the world outside England chose c64 after all, even if it were more expensive. I guess we weren't blindfolded by "oh it's local, it got to be better!". I doubt there is many more of you outside of this forum, even in England, so you're quite alone on this one. But go ahead and play your "better" games completely disregarding the c64 because of a 30 year old grudge. Childish, some would say. Me? I'm going to continue enjoying both machines!
What a load of old cobblers.
I didn't buy the Spectrum because it was British and I doubt if many others did either. I bought it because friends of mine had already bought it and I enjoyed the games that were already out on it.
Odd how games slower on the c64 are unplayable but slower games on the spectrum are better and more playable! Uridium for example, the slow and jerky scrolling even gives it a "cinematic" feeling! :lol:
Well, in the case of C64 Uridium, when the craft is bigger and you have less ability to anticipate in front of you with dull colours underneath making you repeatedly smash into objects, no wonder it's better on the Spectrum!
BTW, if you see old sporting events filmed in colour videotape like the Mexico 68 Olympics or 1970 World Cup, the panning is so smooth it's unreal. For sport, that's great, but movies in film stock (or the fake film stock effect they put on videotape for all those boring sporting montages the BBC show) aren't as smooth as that. So why don't they make movies using videotape then? Cause it obviously doesn't look anywhere near as good! Uridium is a cinematic game, and that's why the Spectrum scrolling is aesthetically superior.
And why do you call yourself MinerWilly, a character whose games were much better on the Spectrum than C64? That would be like me calling myself Mayhem or something.
I didn't buy the Spectrum because it was British and I doubt if many others did either. I bought it because friends of mine had already bought it and I enjoyed the games that were already out on it.
Exactly! Those were your reasons, i couldn't help but notice that because it was the better computer wasn't one of them.
And why do you call yourself MinerWilly, a character whose games were much better on the Spectrum than C64? That would be like me calling myself Mayhem or something.
Have you read anything on this thread or just jumped in? I like games on both computers, just a page or two back i said Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy is better on the spectrum! It's just that i'm not that blindfolded by 30 years of hate towards i computer i never got to see that the c64 is better in most ways! (generally speaking, i actually had both as a kid!)
Exactly! Those were your reasons, i couldn't help but notice that because it was the better computer wasn't one of them.
No one has claimed that it's the better computer. A lot of the games just happen to play better on the Spectrum than they do on the C64. Maybe it's because the programmers had so little to work with they concentrated more on the playability?
I own many systems, have done for years.
In my experience more powerful doesn't mean better games. In my experience, the majority of games that were released for both systems played better on the Spectrum. You can bang on about 50hz scrolling, multi coloured sprites and the sid chip as much as you like.
I like the C64 but I would be lying to myself if I said that I it enjoyed more.
I like the C64 but I would be lying to myself if I said that I it enjoyed more.
But don't you think that is more because of nostalgic reasons than that most of the games actually were better on the spectrum?
I can understand someone saying they rather be playing Boulder Dash on a spectrum because they have so fond memories of it. If someone says Boulder Dash on the spectrum is better (or equally as good) to that on the c64 then they haven't played the c64 version at all or they're just lying (to themselves as much to others, probably).
But don't you think that is more because of nostalgic reasons than that most of the games actually were better on the spectrum?
I can understand someone saying they rather be playing Boulder Dash on a spectrum because they have so fond memories of it. If someone says Boulder Dash on the spectrum is better (or equally as good) to that on the c64 then they haven't played the c64 version at all or they're just lying (to themselves as much to others, probably).
Impressive collection!
I've asked myself that too and I honestly don't think that is why I prefere the Speccy. I think it's more to do with the type of games I like.
I love racing games, I love scrolling beat em ups, I love arcade conversions and I love stuff like Back 2 Skool & Cyclone which as you know neither of which appeared on the C64.
There are games that I really enjoy on the C64, stuff like IK+, Ghostbusters, Bruce Lee, The Great Ginia Sisters & Turrican and they are truely superb on the C64 but they are not bad games on the Speccy either (well Ghostbusters is pretty poor and GG sisters never saw the light of day).
For me it's spectrum for "true" isometric games and most of the split-screen platformers which for some reason could and should have been better on the c64. Manic Miner, Jet Set Willy, Brian Bloodaxe, Roller Coaster. The c64 usually went for the scrolling platformers instead, like the first Monty Mole game. Totally different, still as good on both computers. There were good split-screen platformers on the c64 too, like Antiriad, Dynamite Dan, Cauldron 1 and 2, Auf Wiedersehen Monty Mole, Montezuma's Revenge, Hero...
Well it's proved that really are some deluded Commode-users out there, which is a shame. I didn't quite expect that. But if anything it's also made it clear how much more well-balanced a machine the Spectrum is.
Why do you keep calling Commodore users deluded or zealots? Is it just the pot calling a kettle black? I doubt anyone posting on this forum is a zealot.
To me, the Spectrum is a hobbyist's computer, which is easy to program and expand but for me it doesn't give the impression of a gaming platform. For me, the C64 just simply offers a better balance in that area.
To me, the Spectrum is a hobbyist's computer, which is easy to program and expand but for me it doesn't give the impression of a gaming platform. For me, the C64 just simply offers a better balance in that area.
Really nice collection there, Swainy! I've als accumulated quite a collection but un fortunately can't have them all displayed at the same time as I don't have a proper man-cave at the moment.
Can't quite make out the Optimus Prime on the shelf. Which version is that?
Really nice collection there, Swainy! I've als accumulated quite a collection but un fortunately can't have them all displayed at the same time as I don't have a proper man-cave at the moment.
Can't quite make out the Optimus Prime on the shelf. Which version is that?
That's actually a new one. It's from the Combiner Wars line that has just launched.
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Which one would you rather Play? :-)
The Master System version ;)
Or why not the original arcade version, modern times with mame and all.
Yeah why not....but in answer to the original question....Speccy...Although I'm sure you already knew that ;)
I kind of did. I would rather play the better version of any game, be it on spectrum or the c64.
Hmm, that's all I'm hearing from you C64'rs. "The Spectrum does as good a job as it can, what with it being poor 'n' all."
Your argument can only hang on personal taste, and I get it that you really hate Spectrum graphics.
Bubble Bobble is another great game on all systems. Anyone who really plays games surely can't deny that. There are no limitations, no drawbacks, no poor choices. If you honestly can't see that, then you've never actually "played" these games. You're biased to C64. Fine, but it isn't doing you any favours here.
Anything can be done differently, but I get that you don't like things as they are. Well it ain't gonna change. Speccy games will always be beautiful to me, and ugly to you.
For Bubble Bobble, I'll always load up the Speccy one first, then move onto the PlayStation compilation. Both equally good. I like the C64 one too. Which is better? For me, none. All good stuff.
Not at all, i just think the c64 is better at most games and doing okay at the games where it isn't.
But here are a few games i think is better on the spectrum, some because the faster cpu, some because the c64 had lazy ports.
Manic Miner
Jet Set Willy
Brian Bloodaxe
Bomb Jack
Head over Heels
Underwurlde
Sabre Wulf
Fairlight
The Great Escape
Jetpac
Highway Encounter
Bruce Lee
Nightshade
Cobra
There's more, i'm sure, but i'm too tired to think right now. Also being a big fan of isometric games there were lots of those the c64 never got.
That's about it.
Thats what the spectrum was; the best we could afford.:razz:
It was fun though, like a y-reg capri was fun when learning to drive.
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I'm nearly out of popcorn, but I'm sure we can keep it stirred up :)
A lot of us here took those computers, and used them to emulate the Speccy. Eventually using them to scour the internet to get hold a Speccy and Speccy games again. :roll:
A y-reg capri is still more fun to drive than most modern cars. In much the same way that many Speccy games are much more fun than the modern games.
:-) Totally the best approach.
So the C64 can't do Chase H.Q. then? Or does "programmer skill" only come into it when it's the C64?
BB4CPC, obviously. :-)
Unless you live in your own little bubble you should have expected it. The rest of the world outside England chose c64 after all, even if it were more expensive. I guess we weren't blindfolded by "oh it's local, it got to be better!". I doubt there is many more of you outside of this forum, even in England, so you're quite alone on this one. But go ahead and play your "better" games completely disregarding the c64 because of a 30 year old grudge. Childish, some would say. Me? I'm going to continue enjoying both machines!
What a load of old cobblers.
I didn't buy the Spectrum because it was British and I doubt if many others did either. I bought it because friends of mine had already bought it and I enjoyed the games that were already out on it.
Well, in the case of C64 Uridium, when the craft is bigger and you have less ability to anticipate in front of you with dull colours underneath making you repeatedly smash into objects, no wonder it's better on the Spectrum!
BTW, if you see old sporting events filmed in colour videotape like the Mexico 68 Olympics or 1970 World Cup, the panning is so smooth it's unreal. For sport, that's great, but movies in film stock (or the fake film stock effect they put on videotape for all those boring sporting montages the BBC show) aren't as smooth as that. So why don't they make movies using videotape then? Cause it obviously doesn't look anywhere near as good! Uridium is a cinematic game, and that's why the Spectrum scrolling is aesthetically superior.
And why do you call yourself MinerWilly, a character whose games were much better on the Spectrum than C64? That would be like me calling myself Mayhem or something.
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Exactly! Those were your reasons, i couldn't help but notice that because it was the better computer wasn't one of them.
Have you read anything on this thread or just jumped in? I like games on both computers, just a page or two back i said Manic Miner and Jet Set Willy is better on the spectrum! It's just that i'm not that blindfolded by 30 years of hate towards i computer i never got to see that the c64 is better in most ways! (generally speaking, i actually had both as a kid!)
No one has claimed that it's the better computer. A lot of the games just happen to play better on the Spectrum than they do on the C64. Maybe it's because the programmers had so little to work with they concentrated more on the playability?
I own many systems, have done for years.
In my experience more powerful doesn't mean better games. In my experience, the majority of games that were released for both systems played better on the Spectrum. You can bang on about 50hz scrolling, multi coloured sprites and the sid chip as much as you like.
I like the C64 but I would be lying to myself if I said that I it enjoyed more.
But don't you think that is more because of nostalgic reasons than that most of the games actually were better on the spectrum?
I can understand someone saying they rather be playing Boulder Dash on a spectrum because they have so fond memories of it. If someone says Boulder Dash on the spectrum is better (or equally as good) to that on the c64 then they haven't played the c64 version at all or they're just lying (to themselves as much to others, probably).
Impressive collection!
I've asked myself that too and I honestly don't think that is why I prefere the Speccy. I think it's more to do with the type of games I like.
I love racing games, I love scrolling beat em ups, I love arcade conversions and I love stuff like Back 2 Skool & Cyclone which as you know neither of which appeared on the C64.
There are games that I really enjoy on the C64, stuff like IK+, Ghostbusters, Bruce Lee, The Great Ginia Sisters & Turrican and they are truely superb on the C64 but they are not bad games on the Speccy either (well Ghostbusters is pretty poor and GG sisters never saw the light of day).
Why do you keep calling Commodore users deluded or zealots? Is it just the pot calling a kettle black? I doubt anyone posting on this forum is a zealot.
To me, the Spectrum is a hobbyist's computer, which is easy to program and expand but for me it doesn't give the impression of a gaming platform. For me, the C64 just simply offers a better balance in that area.
Got to ask, what sort of games do you most enjoy?
Really nice collection there, Swainy! I've als accumulated quite a collection but un fortunately can't have them all displayed at the same time as I don't have a proper man-cave at the moment.
Can't quite make out the Optimus Prime on the shelf. Which version is that?
That's actually a new one. It's from the Combiner Wars line that has just launched.
Off topic but I used to make stop animation shows with them: