UK water rates & metering

edited January 2015 in Chit chat
A year ago I decided to have a water meter installed, as the unmetered water rates were getting ridiculous; my last unmetered bill was ?440-odd for the year or about ?37 a month. When applying for a water meter you have to fill in a questionnaire to estimate your water usage and the bill for the first year is calculated based on that and the number of people typically resident in the property. So my first year was calculated at ?28pm, which by default was based on two people, but on correcting this assumption it was reduced to ?20pm for the first year, an initial saving of ?200.

I've now received my second bill based upon the actual metered water usage for the first year, which turned out to be substantially in credit, so my payments have now been reduced to just ?4pm(!), a saving of nigh-on ?400 per year. So, if you haven't considered a water meter yet it might well be worth it, or at least to run the calculator and get an estimate of your metered usage costs. For Northumbrian Water the calculator is at:

https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/your-account/usage-calculator.aspx
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  • fogfog
    edited October 2014
    double edged sword really.. a friend bought a house recently and his metered bills are 3 times as much.. once a property is metered it can't be switched back. sure it's fine for 1 person but not for 3+ / family.

    meters will come in everywhere eventually. If he had known about the metering in his place, he might have not bought the place, he told me. As it has a massive garden and he had to buy 2 water buts.

    Had a girlfriend years ago with the same problem with meters , yep you are more careful with water but REALLY careful.

    oher thing is putting a brick etc in the old toilets so it don't fill up with water so much etc.
  • edited October 2014
    Yep, keep meaning to apply because I'm on my own in a 2-bedroom place. Next door is a couple with two kids who are always watering flower beds and the lawn, so they must get through a hell of a lot more than me and we all pay the same.

    It's criminal really that they don't have basic reductions based on number of residents; if the council can manage it for taxes, then a private firm should be able to cope.

    Pain in the jacksy is the usual farce that you have to wait in all day for a surveyor to visit, and they only do office hours.
    Joefish
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  • fogfog
    edited October 2014
    well if you decide you want to sell, then it's off putting to potential buyers. Are you sure next door is metered ? as most folk I know that are , all have water buts or barrels etc and use rain water.
  • edited October 2014
    Yes, I think houses that pay water rates in the UK, as a whole, are said to subsidise those with meters as the rates are so inflated. But I'm still on water rates here and Mrs.C won't let us have a meter because she knows what I'm like, in that I wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to scrimp on flushing the bog, watering the garden, and on the washing up, etc.! She has a point, to be honest.
  • edited October 2014
    Come to think of it, we're all on rates except the one on the other side of me, who just had it done. Another couple with one kid. Not sure if they'll actually save any money unless they're really making an effort.

    Apparently they put in an earlier bid on my place and didn't get it, then later the owners wanted to sell in a hurry just as I was looking round, so I offered 2.5k more as a 'let's-not-p*ss-about-then' sweetener and asked for the kitchen goods thrown in, and the agent (nice young lad) had them already agreed to it before I'd even got the preliminary mortgage approval.

    Turned out it cost this other couple over 10k more to get next door when it came up a few months later, only for the fence to blow down the first month they were in! Mind you, they clearly had the cash as they got all that re-done, re-furnished and had the heating entirely re-done, then the water meter done, whereas I was on white rice and Lidl beans for a year.
    Joefish
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  • edited October 2014
    I applied for one earlier this year after moving into a fairly small rented flat. My unmetered bill was over ?500. :o
    joefish wrote: »
    Pain in the jacksy is the usual farce that you have to wait in all day for a surveyor to visit, and they only do office hours.

    I took the day off work for it, but because I booked the date about a month away, they said they could be flexible with times, e.g. put me first on the list. The engineer came round at 8.30 and just wanted me to turn my tap on so that they could check which supply (out in the main street) was mine. They didn't even need to come into the flat. It took less than 10 minutes. So I spent the rest of the day eating junk food, drinking beer and playing computer games.. :-P

    Now I don't do anything, just have to wait until they've finished the work.

    I don't know what you'd do if they said they'd couldn't fit one. I think the rates are based on some very out-of-date valuations. I'd be tempted to leave my taps on all the time just to get my money's worth.. :lol:
  • edited October 2014
    ccowley wrote: »
    Yes, I think houses that pay water rates in the UK, as a whole, are said to subsidise those with meters as the rates are so inflated. But I'm still on water rates here and Mrs.C won't let us have a meter because she knows what I'm like, in that I wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity to scrimp on flushing the bog, watering the garden, and on the washing up, etc.! She has a point, to be honest.

    Nothing wrong with that! We already have the "if it's yellow" rule in our house and use recycled bathwater to water the garden in the summer.

    In our house it's Mrs Spoons who's the skinflint though - I had to stop her from getting one of those electricity usage meters otherwise she'd be rationing telly and internet time to one hour a week :roll:
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  • edited October 2014
    leespoons wrote: »
    We already have the "if it's yellow" rule in our house

    :???:

    Care to elaborate?
  • edited October 2014
    Morkin wrote: »
    Care to elaborate?
    Let it mellow?

    (And if it's brown, flush it down.)
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  • edited October 2014
    leespoons wrote: »
    In our house it's Mrs Spoons who's the skinflint though - I had to stop her from getting one of those electricity usage meters otherwise she'd be rationing telly and internet time to one hour a week :roll:
    Yeah - we got one of those and I was apparently "unbearable" for a couple of weeks afterwards, going round switching off lights and other appliances under the guise of "saving the planet, man" -- apparently I was fooling no-one!
    Morkin wrote: »
    :???:

    Care to elaborate?
    "If it's brown, flush it down. If it's yellow, let it mellow." :)

    I get told off for that sort of thing in our house. But I do sort of begrudge the way we generally use perfectly good drinking water to flush our bogs with in this country.
  • edited October 2014
    "If it's a brick, get the stick"

    I get the idea..
  • fogfog
    edited October 2014
    they normally come out with that rhyme when there is a hosepipe ban.

    there is ways you can get rain water , to use the loo instead. I've seen 2 , both on telly.. one is like a tank buried in the garden and the other is like a loft tank, just on the outside of the house roof, but they had a flat bit of roof so wasn't too tricky to fit I guess in their case.
  • edited October 2014
    ccowley wrote: »
    "If it's brown, flush it down. If it's yellow, let it mellow."
    Only ever been issued with that instruction on board a racing yacht, where you do want to minimise water usage. I'm not sure why they don't use salt water for flushing though. You have to retain all the waste in the tanks so it would add to the weight, but we weren't actually racing. Maybe its too corrosive, or just comes with too much muck of its own.
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  • edited October 2014
    joefish wrote: »
    Only ever been issued with that instruction on board a racing yacht, where you do want to minimise water usage. I'm not sure why they don't use salt water for flushing though. You have to retain all the waste in the tanks so it would add to the weight, but we weren't actually racing. Maybe its too corrosive, or just comes with too much muck of its own.
    I know nothing about yacht racing at all, but could it be some sort of competition rule to ensure the yachts start and finish at the same weight? To stop people chucking... umm..."stuff"... overboard to gain an advantage? I know you said you weren't racing at the time, but maybe they just play by the same rules all the time to make it simpler.
  • zx1zx1
    edited October 2014
    Up in Scotland we don't have water meters, your water usage is added onto your council tax but there's talk of introducing them up here. If they do, they'd better put the council tax down, but i won't hold my breath.
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  • edited October 2014
    water meters will reduce your bills for the moment.

    however, once everyone is on a meter prices will go up as the water companies will be receiving less income per household.

    just. sayin...... ☺
  • edited October 2014
    SkoolKid wrote: »
    Let it mellow?

    (And if it's brown, flush it down.)

    Exactly. Although we usually flush it if there's already something yellow in there, we're not complete savages! :D

    The only time problems arise is when our kids' friends come round and think they don't need to flush anything at all :o
    ccowley wrote: »
    Yeah - we got one of those and I was apparently "unbearable" for a couple of weeks afterwards, going round switching off lights and other appliances under the guise of "saving the planet, man" -- apparently I was fooling no-one!

    Mrs S is already like that as it is! If I'm upstairs putting the kids to bed and she's in the bath or something, she'll turn all the lights off downstairs even though she knows I'm coming back down, meaning I have to fumble my way back down to turn the light on again without treading on stray piece of Lego or one of the cats on the stairs.

    She does have her good points, can't remember them at the moment though :lol:
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  • fogfog
    edited October 2014
    Saboteur wrote: »
    water meters will reduce your bills for the moment.

    friend disagree's and didn't like his first *3 water bill :o
  • edited October 2014
    ccowley wrote: »
    I know nothing about yacht racing at all, but could it be some sort of competition rule to ensure the yachts start and finish at the same weight? To stop people chucking... umm..."stuff"... overboard to gain an advantage? I know you said you weren't racing at the time, but maybe they just play by the same rules all the time to make it simpler.
    It's not like you'll find it written in the club racing rules!
    It's just that you're on a small craft with half a dozen other people, and you can only carry so much fresh water on-board.
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  • edited November 2014
    This toilet will save you water:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf6qZMF9I70

    Basically when you flush, the water will exit the tap which is above the toilet cistern and you can wash your hands in clean water, before it exits into the toilet.
  • edited November 2014
    fog wrote: »
    double edged sword really.. a friend bought a house recently and his metered bills are 3 times as much.. once a property is metered it can't be switched back. sure it's fine for 1 person but not for 3+ / family.

    meters will come in everywhere eventually. If he had known about the metering in his place, he might have not bought the place, he told me. As it has a massive garden and he had to buy 2 water buts.

    Had a girlfriend years ago with the same problem with meters , yep you are more careful with water but REALLY careful.

    oher thing is putting a brick etc in the old toilets so it don't fill up with water so much etc.

    We have a meter on the house and would change back in a flash.... but alas we can't

    my assumption is the water companies get people in on cheap rates (former owners in our case) and then can bend you back over the barrel same as anyone else...

    On the other hand 2 small kids makes for LOTS more washing than is the norm...
  • edited January 2015
    Well, I've just had a letter from the water company confirming that they fitted the meter a couple of weeks ago.

    When you apply they give you a target date. Their target was the end of last summer, so they've now refunded me almost 6 months of payments, which was a very nice surprise... :o
  • edited January 2015
    What about water that I simply can't use. I shouldn't have to pay for that. ie: running the tap for 10 seconds before filling the kettle? I don't want to pay for that water. It's no good for me. Why should I pay for sub-standard water? :D
  • edited January 2015
    zx1 wrote: »
    [snip] i won't hold my breath.

    Considering some of your featured saucers in that other thread, surely you had to sometimes :-P
  • edited January 2015
    Graz wrote: »
    What about water that I simply can't use. I shouldn't have to pay for that. ie: running the tap for 10 seconds before filling the kettle? I don't want to pay for that water. It's no good for me. Why should I pay for sub-standard water? :D

    What's the problem with the first 10 seconds of water, ?

    If its tainted and then clears up that will be a problem with your system and not theirs.

    If it runs clear and then tainted and then clear again that's usually their mains?
  • edited January 2015
    Haha, I think Graz meant it as a joke...

    I never knew if 'running the tap' was a British thing, or a regional thing, or whatever...
  • edited January 2015
    Mine has gone from ?607 a year to ?880 a year, I didn't even want a meter but they insisted that everyone had to have one, a rise of ?270 a year is no joke !
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  • edited January 2015
    I'm 'lucky' enough to live in an area that operates a scam in that we have one supplier of fresh water and one company who deal with the waste water. The people who take the bath water away make up their own bill supposedly based on how much water you've used. The water in is metered but the water out is estimated. I say it's a scam because the second company are just making things up.

    I sent the second company a letter and asked them how they worked out where the water went after it entered the house. I also suggested that I sweat a lot and when drunk tend to piss over the garden fence onto wasteground. I also **** into carrier bags and leave them out for the dustmen which I pay for through council tax.

    I never got a reply. I just got another bill.
  • edited January 2015
    They sent you another bill just incase you didn't have anything to wipe your backside with.

    Thanks for your post Dave, that has really made me chuckle.
  • edited January 2015
    Not a problem in Scotland, our water is provided by a single company Scottish Water at fixed rates and judging by what some of you are saying, we pay less for it. :P
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