'household canvass' letter, threats of £1000 fine...

def chris · August 2015

anyone else had this letter? even if there's no change to your circumstances if you don't confirm it by post, internet, or text message then "you could be fined £1000".

no deadline is given for when you have to confirm it by, which I find odd... as for the threat of a grand fine for not responding to something as innocuous as as a letter basically asking if you live at your address they already have details on ...seems odd to me

def chris · August 2015

this is the prequel letter to the electoral register thing btw...

(cant seem to edit my first post?)

beanz · August 2015

Was it delivered by registered mail or signature required?...if not just say you didn't receive it...lost in post etc.

def chris · August 2015

nah just straight through the door...

they are ****s for making these kind of threats. imo blatantly no one is going to get fined a grand for not responding to a letter requesting basic info, but at the same time I don't want to put that theory to the test.

joefish · August 2015

The lack of a deadline is the really weird bit about these. But mainly they put stuff on like that because so many people just ignore them - but will get really arsey if they don't get a voting slip at the next election.

You're likely to be fined if they find out you're claiming to be the only resident as a tax dodge, like getting a council tax rebate, when you're not. Or there's some illegal council-house sub-letting over-crowding scam going on.

Apparently I just missed one when I bought my new place. There were no reminders, and they sent a guy round to knock on the door at the weekend to take my details. And he looked all prepared to get aresy with me over it, until I told him I'd just bought the place. So don't just chuck it away. But do check it's from the council, not some scam to get your details. It's usually addressed to 'The Occupier', but will probably have your name inside as their current record.

But you could have just done the on-line confirmation five times over in the time it took you to start this thread!

def chris · August 2015

well yeah I was just interested what others thought...not saying I'm not going to do it (texting appears to be the least hassle way) but it's the fact they threaten the kind of fine you'd normally get for something like common assault makes me suspicious. interesting about how they sent a guy round, useful to know. probably won't ignore it if that's what they do...

zx1 · August 2015

I got one a few days ago, it's sitting on top of my fridge.
Wondering whether or not bother filling it in.

def chris · August 2015

Id be more inclined to do it if they didn't threaten the fine (and it doesn't even say "up to" £1000, it's £1000!)

ASH-II · August 2015

you can do it online it takes 1 minute.

def chris · August 2015

yeah I know. texting would take 10 secs!

- the point is I don't like being threatened over something that should be completely routine and/or optional

mel the bell · August 2015

****

i used to not even bother registering to vote cos i dont vote and never will, then they brought it in that youd get fined for not doing so, cunts
just so they can find people easier AND to make their merry go round look bigger

dm_boozefreek · August 2015

Yeah Consensus Bullying...Interesting.

Always thought it's funny they call that door to door info gathering a consensus.

usually consensus would imply every party is in agreement, when apparently this is not the case :-?

VincentAC · August 2015

We got one last week. Decided to do the online form and printed the confirmation as a pdf as proof if someone turns up claiming there wasn't a confirmation. We've had **** from the council before about tax and rent and it was because they lost our forms yet they were blaming us the whole time until I found the receipt I got when I handed the forms in. Cheeky basts have tried it a few times.

We have proof of almost everything we send to the council/government.

-edit-
A few months ago (maybe febs?) we got a letter about the new way of registering to vote. We were automatically put on the "anyone can buy" list and have had shite ever since even though we immediately changed it online. thanks for that >:P

RetroTechie · August 2015

@dm_boozefreek: that's called a "census", I believe? From dictionary.reference.com:

noun, plural censuses.
1. an official enumeration of the population, with details as to age, sex, occupation, etc.
2. (in ancient Rome) the registration of citizens and their property, for purposes of taxation.

verb (used with object)
3. to take a census of (a country, city, etc.): The entire nation is censused every 10 years.

dm_boozefreek · August 2015

Yup you're right Techie I'm an idiot, I just asked the wife about it and she said it is Census, not Consensus, although it is partially her grandma's fault because she's a volunteer for the census building, and she called it the Concensus, so I'm not 100% stupid....maybe? :(

At least I was right in what I was saying....even if I got my wires crossed with the words...Carry on Nothing to see here... :-S

FrankT · August 2015

You can't be fined for not engaging in a voluntary process. Its an empty threat.

I'll never be forced to register for anything.

I was threatened with fines for not doing the last census, and for not registering to vote. Never been fined.

And surely its wrong to need to register to vote. As voting is a right, not a privelage. Only slaves and prisoners need permission to exercise a right. If its a demand, you have the right to charge them, as you're being asked to perform an action for them. This is what is wrong with a privatised corporate socialist government. Its Nazi.

dm_boozefreek · August 2015

Citizen Frank! The voice of the Freemen! \m/

...and no I'm not taking the PI55 there....Bloody censorship!

def chris · August 2015

mel the bell wrote: »

just so they can find people easier AND to make their merry go round look bigger

yeah the evil tory merry-go-round, one ride I don't want to go on.;..

VincentAC wrote: »

We were automatically put on the "anyone can buy" list and have had shite ever since even though we immediately changed it online. thanks for that >:P

what's that, out of interest? just googled and found nothing...

dm_boozefreek wrote: »

I just asked the wife about it and she said it is Census, not Consensus, although it is partially her grandma's fault

lol

FrankT wrote: »

You can't be fined for not engaging in a voluntary process. Its an empty threat.

agree with your post.

have to laugh at the logo on the top right of the letter, it's an "X" on a piece of paper with the slogan "YOUR VOTE MATTERS, MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN" written beside it. how can they possibly put some kind of happy clappy motivational b*****ks like that on a letter which then threatens to FINE you if you don't reply.... amazing

MatGubbins · August 2015

make sure urine

def chris · August 2015

that would be a better slogan

VincentAC · August 2015

def chris wrote: »

VincentAC wrote: »

We were automatically put on the "anyone can buy" list and have had shite ever since even though we immediately changed it online. thanks for that >:P

what's that, out of interest? just googled and found nothing...

When you register to vote there's two lists, one that's for government use only and another that is sold to any company that wants to cold call you or send you useless leaflets. I can't remember the name of the list.

-edit-
A quick google:
https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register/opt-out-of-the-open-register

Electoral Register and Open Register. You don't want to be on the open register.

def chris · August 2015

cheers...

what a load of hassle though

FrankT · August 2015

I've already been banned from voting, and taken off the electoral register. Yet they still threaten me with fines for not fillng in this form. I have no contract with them, so they can't insist I follow their legislation. Its not law its legal, doesn't apply to me without an agreement, and I don't agree.

Human beings still have common law, and the choice to engage in commercial (legal) law. We always have free will. Never forget it.

Edit:
The biggest joke is when 'protesters' abide by the rules set by the people they're protesting against!
I'm talking about the governments 'designated zones' for protesters. No protester can get within a mile of downing street! Its total b o ll o x!

People have forgotten that the government are OUR employee's. They're supposed to work for the common people. And WE have the law written in the magna carta that gives us the right to rebellion against a corrupt (corporate fascist) government.

fog · August 2015

dm_boozefreek wrote: »

Citizen Frank! The voice of the Freemen! \m/

You normally see em on TV cop shows spouting the free man stuff. Yet they never quote the ancient by law about walking your group of giraffes through the town centre

def chris · August 2015

FrankT wrote: »

People have forgotten that the government are OUR employee's. They're supposed to work for the common people. And WE have the law written in the magna carta that gives us the right to rebellion against a corrupt (corporate fascist) government.

no doubt this is technically true, but does that kind of stuff have any legal clout today? government clearly seems to do what it wants regardless of public opinion...

SnazzyParrot · August 2015

They can't fine you if they dont know your name. Confirm or deny nothing and they'll go away.

rich_chandler · August 2015

MustrumRidcully wrote: »

They can't fine you if they dont know your name. Confirm or deny nothing and they'll go away.

Don't tell them your name Pike!!!!

Grunaki · August 2015

Apparently there's some kind of phone scam running around our area - some arseholes phone and state that they're from the Canada Revenue Agency, that you've incorrectly filed your taxes and that the police are on their way over, and you need to sort out this discrepancy before they get there.

A few people on a local Facebook page have said that it's happened to them, with most of them telling the scammers to eff off, but of course there have been some reports of elderly people being taken in by it.

One guy's response was pretty amusing though - he said the scammer called and introduced himself as Jonathan Knight from the CRA and gave him the whole line about the police coming over.

He replied:

"What's your name again?"

"Jonathan Knight"

"You know, I loved you in 'New Kids On The Block' - any chance you could sing me a few bars of "Hangin' Tough" until the police get here?"

At which point the scammer got all pissed off at him and hung up the phone.

joefish · August 2015

FrankT wrote: »

People have forgotten that the government are OUR employee's. They're supposed to work for the common people. And WE have the law written in the magna carta that gives us the right to rebellion against a corrupt (corporate fascist) government.

def chris wrote: »

no doubt this is technically true, but does that kind of stuff have any legal clout today? government clearly seems to do what it wants regardless of public opinion...

No, it's not true. This is the sort of idiocy that gets you thrown into jail for contempt of court even before your hearing starts. These people like to think that if they don't personally consent to governmnet, it doesn't apply to them. They distort the rights of a people and pretend they apply to individual persons, i.e. themselves. The reality that they like to ignore is that while the majority do consent, then statute law applies to everyone, and if everyone else consents to the police beating up their unwashed tax-dodging saggy @rses and throwing them in jail, then that's exactly what will happen. They claim that they only abide by 'natural law', going back to the dark ages. But while this 'common law' is recognised by the courts, these fantasists seem to forget that common law also recognises all statute law that has been or will ever be written by Government, so their attempted pseudo-legal dodge is a failure from the start. The whole movement basically stems from reading a tatty old law book, failing to understand nearly all of it, but instead performing the same sort of pareidolian analysis of the text that lets people take a holy book and use it to justify genocide.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Freeman_successes

def chris · August 2015

fair enough. I can't actually imagine claiming you personally don't apply to any of the laws of the land just because you just don't consent to them ever being a valid defence, because if it was then surely everyone would use it every time.

btw I got another request letter yesterday. and thought sod it, I'll just text "NO CHANGE" to the number and get it over and done with, but my phone then warned me there was a charge when I pressed send. it didn't say how much the charge was, and neither does the letter. on the basis this charge could theoretically be a million quid I'm not sending the text.

rich_chandler · August 2015

def chris wrote: »

fair enough. I can't actually imagine claiming you personally don't apply to any of the laws of the land just because you just don't consent to them ever being a valid defence, because if it was then surely everyone would use it every time.

btw I got another request letter yesterday. and thought sod it, I'll just text "NO CHANGE" to the number and get it over and done with, but my phone then warned me there was a charge when I pressed send. it didn't say how much the charge was, and neither does the letter. on the basis this charge could theoretically be a million quid I'm not sending the text.

So why not do it online like I did?

'household canvass' letter, threats of £1000 fine...

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