Games written by women?

Just noticed Mrs Mopp was written by a Tina!

I was surprised, despite being a radical feminist!

Have any other games been written entirely by ladies? And searching for threads here with the word women shows that we are a truly modern and diversity-aware crew!
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  • Anne Menneer wrote several educational titles. I had an email off her a few years ago as she'd noticed that a few titles with Author "Not Known's" she'd developed.
  • edited April 2016
    There's also Eve Gorton of Blackboard Software who wrote several educational titles with her husband(?). I'm sure there was a bit of info in the permission section but obviously this isn't accessible currently.

    The Secret of St Bride's was written by a couple(?) of women and they may have written others. I'm fairly sure there's a fair bit of info about them in the forums somewhere as the whole St Bride's set up was "interesting" to say the very least.

    The only other woman I can think of is Dawn Drake but she was a graphics artist rather than a programmer. At least I'm fairly sure that's correct.

    Also, is there any reason why this thread is under "Updates"? Maybe Lee (or mods) should be the only people able to post in this section otherwise it may lead to anarchy!!!! Seriously though, you're messing with my OCD! ;)
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  • Wasn't the Hobbitt written by a woman?
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  • Yep - Veronika Megler, co-written with Philip Mitchell. There's a Register interview with her here.

    She also has a credit on Penetrator although the loading screen only mentions Mitchell.

    Karen Trueman (another graphic artist) had a hand in Commando and Bomb Jack. I thought Helen Reidy of Microsphere was co-programmer of Skool Daze etc with her husband but she doesn't even get a credit in the archive, so perhaps she ran the business side of things. Can't find that Crash interview with them to confirm.
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  • As an aside - the new WoS will list different roles for software, so people can be credited properly where known.
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  • leespoons wrote: »
    I thought Helen Reidy of Microsphere was co-programmer of Skool Daze etc with her husband but she doesn't even get a credit in the archive, so perhaps she ran the business side of things. Can't find that Crash interview with them to confirm.

    This is probably the one you mean...
    http://www.crashonline.org.uk/25/msphere.htm

    It sounds like they both worked on the design side but Dave did the coding on paper and Helen had the exciting job of typing it all in!
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  • Cheers Rich, yep that's the one.

    I still can't believe David Reidy wrote everything down on paper and then typed it into his Speccy in hex rather than using an assembler :-O

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  • Does it count if the programmer wasn't a woman at the time? I know there's a few games on other platforms where that's the case, but not sure about the Speccy.
  • Don't be silly. Everyone knows that their brains would overheat leading to serious outbreaks of fainting.
  • Does it count if the programmer wasn't a woman at the time? I know there's a few games on other platforms where that's the case, but not sure about the Speccy.
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  • Just found another Karen, Karen Davies who worked for Denton Designs and Special FX on titles by Ocean/Beyond/Software Projects, in which capacity I'm not sure.

    And another Dawn - Dawn Jones who has a credit on Imagine's Pedro and an unreleased Odin game called P.L.O.D. along with Bernie "Ping Pong" Duggs.

    Speaking of which, Joffa's sister Christine has a credit on Pud Pud.

    And Angela Sutherland is credited on all three of Sandy White's games.

    Actually if you stick some womens' names in the search you'll find quite a few - for example just found a Karen Tyers who wrote a few adventures in the mid 90s.
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  • IIRC, there are 2 or 3 women involved with Denton Design games, they tended to do the graphics.
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  • leespoons wrote: »
    And Angela Sutherland is credited on all three of Sandy White's games.

    Was she the one responsible for entering the code? I recall that Sandy White used to write it all out on paper back in the day...
  • I think she was involved with the design.
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    karingal wrote: »
    IIRC, there are 2 or 3 women involved with Denton Design games, they tended to do the graphics.

    Ally Noble was one of them I think? She was definitely with Imagine so problem went to DD.
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  • Ah, was wondering about Ally Noble, didn't know if she was an Ally McBeal or an Ally McCoist.

    According to DD's wiki page both her and Karen Davies were founders of the company, both art designers. Not sure what to believe on that page though considering it says the company was founded in September 1985 ;)
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  • Vampyre wrote: »
    karingal wrote: »
    IIRC, there are 2 or 3 women involved with Denton Design games, they tended to do the graphics.

    Ally Noble was one of them I think? She was definitely with Imagine so problem went to DD.

    Yes she did, she ended up running DD when the rest of the founders left.
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  • karingal wrote: »
    I think she was involved with the design.

    Ah yes - quite right...

    His close friend, Angela Sutherland, did a lot of the formatting of the structure for the final product; she was responsible for most of Antescher's design and also the characters who act out the adventure.
  • Morkin wrote: »
    karingal wrote: »
    I think she was involved with the design.

    Ah yes - quite right...

    His close friend, Angela Sutherland, did a lot of the formatting of the structure for the final product; she was responsible for most of Antescher's design and also the characters who act out the adventure.
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  • fogfog
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    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0000525

    Karen Davies @ special fx (she did graphics)
    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekpub.cgi?regexp=^Karen+Davies$

    "toni baker" who wrote the book ?

    karen truman worked did c64 gfx for 2 elite games , shes credited as "kaz" on loading screens


    rita jay on atari did mr dig

    kelly day , did gfx on a few US games.. but obv the spectrum styling borrowed from them.. bruce lee / dallas quest / goonies / pooyan / zorro

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  • Audrey Bishop did some wargame stuff with Owen Bishop. I think they had a column in SU at one point.
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    "...toni baker" who wrote the book" ?

    I think in the interests of accuracy it would be fairer to say the first transgender author and no not because of a misplaced Y.
  • robbyrob wrote: »
    Audrey Bishop did some wargame stuff with Owen Bishop. I think they had a column in SU at one point.

    Your Sinclair. Issues:

    20, August 1987
    23, November 1987
    26, February 1988
    27, March 1988
    28, April 1988
    29, May 1988
    30, June 1988
    33, September 1988
  • wasn't sure Moggy.. hence the ?
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    fog wrote: »
    wasn't sure Moggy.. hence the ?



    Whoops sorry about that, my crap eyesight and all that.

    No there are four things that point to it in the first revision of the ZX80/81 book, one by the publisher , one by the late Tim Hartnell and two by the author.

    1) The male spelling of "Tony" on the book cover.

    I think it's fair to say the publisher knew who they were writing the advance/royalty cheques for either that or they were sexist misogynists who didn't believe a mere girly could write such a book, but I very much doubt it.

    2) Tim Hartnell says in his introduction in the first book revision that he met Tony at the zx users club so therefore knew him by sight as opposed to say phone conversation fax etc. and he refers to the author as HE not SHE and again I don't think that's a typing error somehow and the late Mr Hartnell wouldn't let that pass I'm sure.

    The copyright for the book is listed under the publishers address as "(c) Tony Baker"

    Whilst the above could be argued over what follows the authors own preface, dedication,call it what you will is very intriguing.

    QUOTE "Nothing stays the same forever,here's to the changes" followed immediately by the gender symbol for female.


    In the not too distant past a chap who goes by the name of Thurnor undertook to redo the book in PDF format and asked if anyone knew of any errors in the original and as I knew that the maths routines, amongst other things, touched upon in the book were somewhat screwed up I sent him corrections which after checking he included in his work and graciously gave me a mention at the beginning of the maths chapter.
    After reading through his finished result I though nice one sir but reading it again about a year later I noticed that the final program listed in the book entitled a" A farewell program" differed in Thurnors work to the original book and it was this difference that finally convinced me that he Tony baker as was did become she Toni Baker as is.

    In the original first revision the final program in the book consists of a short ML program and a tiny coordinates table and when the program is run it very crudely writes the authors first name "Tony" male spelling and at the bottom of the page to show how it should look when run is a facsimile of the authors signature "Tony" again male spelling.

    When I checked Thurnors work the coordinates table was different I realised he had based his work on the third revision of the book and when that program is run it spells out "Toni" female spelling. In other words a deliberate change by the author and not some publishers error.

    All three revisions of the book contain the same errors all that seems to have changed is the gender, on the front cover Tony becomes Toni, Tim Hartnell refers to SHE not HE, the nothing stays the same passage etc and the female gender symbol are gone and the final program deliberately changed from the masculine to the feminine.

    As this site is known for recording things accurately IE correct game author accreditation, correct inlays instructions etc I honestly think there is a very strong case for acknowledging here,Toni Baker as possibly maybe the only transgender author who wrote for the Sinclair machines, who for what ever reason seems to have vanished completely from publishing public life etc maybe for a quieter existence and as nobody here seems to have met her perhaps we'll never know.

    Sorry for the long winded epic but I think it's worthy of some discussion if only to ascertain historical accuracy.


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  • Or perhaps the publishers assumed initially that a male author would inspire more confidence among the target audience, in a field almost exclusively composed by males at the time. Thus the spelling and other references in the book were modified accordingly, except for a cryptic reference otherwise from the author herself. Later, after the book became a bestseller, there was no reason for it anymore, so the following edition was fixed.

    Notice my explanation above is as good as yours. I suppose we will never know the truth...
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  • The explanation by Einar is what I believed for a time, but having read Moggy's post and his previous post on the subject, I now think he is more likely to be correct.

    One of the important Acorn guys changed gender as well. So that is at least two in the computing world.

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  • I'm not sure what's the most likely explanation. I was just pointing out there's not enough evidence to be conclusive either way.
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  • Having lived as young adult/teenager in the early 80's I don't think Einar's explanation is really that plausible. I knew girls who were interesting in computing and some that were programming for a living (albeit on larger mainframe type machines and not Spectrums) so a female programming author would not have been that much of a surprise to the publishers.
    Also Carol Brooksbank was a regular contributor to ZX Computing during the 80's and she was definitely female.
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