Well there are definitely plenty of racists, and I suppose if they rally together, they could give the 'perception' that we're a massively racist country, thus proving my point quite nicely.
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We are not living on an overcrowded island. There are many other places in the world where the density of people living in an equivalent percentage area is far greater. Maybe some UK cities do come close to being density populated. But that is offset by the areas on the UK that are not like that.
There are three points to this argument:
1. We need to be self-sufficient as possible (something I can go into detail). Which means, fundamentally, keeping greenlands green for crops and livestock.
2. Should the greenbelt beauty not be preserved?
3. If we goto (10 ;p ) to the max. density does that mean we need to all live in small pods like the Japanese hotels?
It is a illusion that we have control or will ever have control of our borders. This conservative govenment (or was it the con-den govenment, I forget) thought the matter so important, they actually reduced border staff numbers. They were then caught out and had to increase them.
We have now 100% accountability to the MP's and their manifestos. Remember Cameron's pledge was 10k per year, more like 100k per year NET.
Of course we should deal with murderers/rapists/terrorists. But in order to know who is and who is not a murderer/rapist/terrorist, we need to cooperate with other countries. But in leaving the EU, in future, they may no longer work as closely with us as they do now. So if we don't know about the murderers/rapists/terrorists, border control will have no reason to stop them.
Don't see no reason why this co-operation shouldn't continue, the threat goes both ways, but in any event we will have the final say.
Theresa May tried to deport a convicted Italian rapist (a few days ago) and had to appeal to the supreme court (EU) to get him deported.
Remember the rapist who was not deported from the UK to another EU country due to his human right to a family! He shouldn't be anywhere near his children! Or another who could not be deported, again down to the EU, because he had a cat! This is not fiction folks I could quote links but do your own research so you are confident I am not telling lies.
Oh, and by the way, we currently have border control.
Oh yes, the "we are not part of the Shengen agreement" argument, correct we are not. All this means is an EU passport has to be flashed on your way into the country. So anyone landing within he EU gets a passport from another country can walk into ours. Yep, that is the amount of control we have (or had?)!
On the subject of terrorists, the vast majority of terrorists (granted not all) are normally citizens of the country they are rebelling against. So no amount of border control can help if they are UK citizens.
Mostly imported without the consent of the electorate, based upon shoddy border controls. The basis of which would be worthy of a separate thread regarding multiculturalism and cultural relativism.
For your information, myself, my main reasons for staying in are:
[*] stability of the U.K. I don't want another Banking crash. Or wild currency fluctuations.
[*] financial - a heathy U.K. and heathy E.U. are good for companies, so that's better for employees.
A banking crash would be based on no real physical assets just speculations and futures, something the predominate left are against, ironically.
The latter: how many have received pay rises? What about the wage compression due to the EU's freedom of movement?
[*] a lot of the money that we send to the EU comes back and is spent in the UK. Including money that helped me in the past with a training course I went on. The EU also spends money on UK farmers and in less well off areas like Cornwall.
This is a logical fallacy on two separate accounts, the first is a echo of what I said earlier "we can elect a gov. that is 100% responsible for it's manifesto pledge". In other words if your course was worthy (and I mean that in the greatest respects) then it should be given. I come from the north-east and was one of the last to lot to receive free grants for university education (would have qualified under current rules anyway) but subsidies need to be justified.
Secondly, we paid a NET contribution to the EU, therefore your grant for the training course was paid by us anyway! And not "a lot" comes back, it is about half, do the maths your course cost the taxpayer 200% of what was needed! (again I reiterate the respect that I mean that in the greatest respects.)
[*] I buy parts from abroad, both from in the EU and outside. For items obtained in the EU, there is no UK VAT to pay (VAT is already charged by the EU country where you buy from). So UK customs don't have to add UK VAT. When you buy from ouside the EU, if the value is over a certain amount, you have to pay VAT and a £8 processing fee. Even if the amount of the VAT is a small amount.
This interesting, I am starting my own business and require parts from Germany.
I had to pay VAT and EURO to GBP charges for my troubles, I saw no benefits this way.
But buying from China or other places is so cheap negates any charges that would incur, and I have parts that could be bought from them.
Of course, human working conditions are probably for another topic.
[*] a lot of the laws and regulations from the EU have benefited U.K. workers. Do you really think the UK govenment would have given us all the working rights and benefits if left to their own devices? The mobile phone companies had to reduce roaming charges. Do you think the U.K. Govenment could have done that?
To link workers rights to phone charges is grasping at straws.
An independent UK could have workers rights, this is a non-sequitur.
[*] environmental regulations are needed worldwide. At least the EU has tried. It's no good the one country on it's own trying to change things. And as a large trading block, the EU has the power to persuade other countries around the world to improve.
If the cause and arguments are good then there are no reasons for a co-op between countries, eg. UN, NATO as examples.
[*] again, as a large trading block, the idea is that the EU can get better trade deals with the likes of other larger trading nations around the world. Same as a large company can get a better deal compared to one person on their own.
The UK is 5th in GDP, this is enough clout, even if we weren't as high, how does Iceland, the Swiss get on? They are free!
[*] I like being able to travel around the EU without having to worry about passport problems or not having the correct visas.
I value freedom over your holidays and 10 min inconvenience after getting of the plane.
[*] we need property trained medical staff because the number of UK nurses and doctors is too low to fill all the posts. I don't know the details, but engineering companies also have the same problems. So for me, freedom of Europeans to work in this country is okay with me.
Three points regarding this:
1. A lack of training and investment in skills of our OWN people brings these shortages!
2. We can still import required skills (and should foresee a skills gap and plug it on a government level). Vote for a gov. that does this.
3. What about the brain-drain from the respective countries these people come from? What about their people? Surely if they are poorer then they need them more than we do? This is the biggest paradox the left have yet to consider, never mind argue about!
I'm spaniard, so I'm not as involved as other forum members (but keep un mind that tolls and immigration consequences will affect other EU countries).
I won't talk about advantages/disadvantages, but... don't you think that 51% is a narrow margin? I don't know how things are in UK, but in Spain there are a lot of people that don't vote. So, at least here, 51% may not be the people will.
I guess that in this cases with such a big changes, there should be a clear result (i.e: more than 60%) or go into a second (and last) poll to validate the result.
The idea is that 60% or 2/3 shows a clear result. If that 1% difference is caused by people staying home (instead of voting), the first poll may act as a heads up and the second should get that people voting.
BTW I don't think that other states really want to abandon EU, but they want (and de serve) to re-negotiate their status. EU seems to be all about Germany, and that can't be good.
Everything is relative :) . About 97% of the Crimean population voted for the return of the Peninsula to Russia. This referendum was attended by about 87% of the residents. Evaluate the difference :) .
I do not post much on WoS but have been an avid reader for about 10 years or even longer!
I voted and have campaigned in one way or another for "Out" for at least two decades, and I'll tell you why, very simple it is called democracy.
I can not believe today's result and I am very happy.
Democracy? You are about to get a Prime Minister that nobody voted for. Well done, LOL.
Things like this are what I am talking about, no input just insults from afar.
he has a face that deserves pisstaking, hes an idiot with no viable alternatives and you all fell for it hook line and sinker, hes already admitted on tv that saying that the 350 million we send to the EU and could be fed into the NHS was a mistake.........or lies? Oo
at the end of the day what money is saved from the EU WONT be seen by the general population
Well if you actually listened and absorbed facts then you'd know what he said.
For others: he wasn't part of the same campaign! Wasn't responsible for the advert and wouldn't have done it.
I do not post much on WoS but have been an avid reader for about 10 years or even longer!
I voted and have campaigned in one way or another for "Out" for at least two decades, and I'll tell you why, very simple it is called democracy.
I can not believe today's result and I am very happy.
Are we definitely out though? Does a referendum mean that the bigwigs have to go through the process of leaving the EU now, or does it just give them the option?
Gives them a mandate, it could be overruled by the MPs, they have the final decision.
They would be opening a can of worms IMO.
Everything is relative :) . About 97% of the Crimean population voted for the return of the Peninsula to Russia. This referendum was attended by about 87% of the residents. Evaluate the difference :) .
Views outside of Russia on the goings on there are quite different from what is portrayed inside Russia. For instance, Crimea was a clandestine invasion by Russia, who took control of media outlets, pumped propaganda onto the airwaves and held a weekend vote with gun-toting soldiers in the streets to legitimize annexation. In every other deomocratic country in the world, votes on separation normally happen after many years of public discussion and sometimes fester for decades. That's quite different from the week-long propaganda push by Russia after that invasion.
I think it's best not to pollute this thread with such discussion :)
You know that this is about more than just import and export tariffs, right? About 80% of the UK economy is based on services. The EU has little incentive to let the UK keep its passport for the sale of services into the EU. One of the biggest areas of trade that Britain could offer to non-EU countries was in services and access to the EU single market. We could sell banking or insurance services in France, Germany, Italy etc to companies in the US, India, China etc. Well, that's **** into a cocked hat now.
All ponzi schemes that would have never worked along term. Let us trade in actual physical objects.
The money you're not sending to the EU? That's going to be spent in the UK on additional bureaucracy to manage your borders and to replace services the EU was providing to the UK. There will be no windfall.
Are we definitely out though? Does a referendum mean that the bigwigs have to go through the process of leaving the EU now, or does it just give them the option?
I don't think it does unless the leavers decide to stick to their insane promise of immediate exit.
I think what the UK is committed to is negotiation to exit and it would be possible to hold a referendum at the end of that to determine if the conditions of exit were acceptable. You can't just ignore a referendum result.
I do not post much on WoS but have been an avid reader for about 10 years or even longer!
I voted and have campaigned in one way or another for "Out" for at least two decades, and I'll tell you why, very simple it is called democracy.
I can not believe today's result and I am very happy.
Democracy? You are about to get a Prime Minister that nobody voted for. Well done, LOL.
What about Junker, which box did you tick?
Juncker has no power to impose laws or decisions. He and the commission can only propose them, then they are subject to vote by the elected members of the European Parliament, or the elected leaders of the member states in the council. Arguably the European Parliament is more democratic than the UK Parliament because it has promotional representation. The UK currently has a government that only 30-odd percent of the people voted for. It also has a completely unelected House of Lords.
People ask me why I (and my party) can be pro-Scottish independence but against leaving the EU. It's simple, we want the powers held in Westminster rather than the ones held in Brussels, because the powers held in Westminster are the important ones that allow real control over taxes, benefits, laws, infrastructure and the way we manage society.
All the powers you need are held there, but they are not exercised in your benefit because the establishment only invests and cares about certain parts of the country.
Nothing has changed. Those powers are still held in Westminster and they still won't invest in the parts of the country they don't care about. All the "new" money will continue to go the favoured areas, but now you won't get any money from the EU.
Vote for a party that DOES include you within the UK and looks out for you, breakand kic t the establishment, now you CAN!
But being Scot that is pro SNP (I presume) and pro EU I ask you this:
What is the point of wanting independence and then going cap in hand to the EU?
You are gaining more freedom and then trading it in for a non-democratic dictatorship! And you must accept that any new country applying to the EU must adopt the euro would mean far more losses than the current -7% to GBP!?
Things like this are what I am talking about, no input just insults from afar.
he has a face that deserves pisstaking, hes an idiot with no viable alternatives and you all fell for it hook line and sinker, hes already admitted on tv that saying that the 350 million we send to the EU and could be fed into the NHS was a mistake.........or lies? Oo
at the end of the day what money is saved from the EU WONT be seen by the general population
Well if you actually listened and absorbed facts then you'd know what he said.
For others: he wasn't part of the same campaign! Wasn't responsible for the advert and wouldn't have done it.
come on dont be niave hes a politician....sort of, it was on his campaign bus, hes part of the campaign, he knew it was there, he must know facts on why they want to leave and how to leave?
he was making excuses
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Things like this are what I am talking about, no input just insults from afar.
he has a face that deserves pisstaking, hes an idiot with no viable alternatives and you all fell for it hook line and sinker, hes already admitted on tv that saying that the 350 million we send to the EU and could be fed into the NHS was a mistake.........or lies? Oo
at the end of the day what money is saved from the EU WONT be seen by the general population
Well if you actually listened and absorbed facts then you'd know what he said.
For others: he wasn't part of the same campaign! Wasn't responsible for the advert and wouldn't have done it.
No, because he was too busy recycling Nazi propaganda.
What is it about the dominance of the USA you do not like?
I think it is good to speak with partners as an equal (at eye level). For a single state it is difficuilt to reach that eye level compared to the USA. And as the USA are a union of states in northern America the EU should be a union of states in Europe (in fact having equal rights), even if these two unions have very different historical roots.
The TTIP consultations for example needs comparable power on both sides of the table.
Watching the BBC coverage. Amused by the foreigns who now think that we're all a bunch of racists that don't like them.
I find it strange how one poll can suddenly alter people's perception so much?
OH MY GOD, IT'S A COUNTRY OF RACISTS !!!
How much it will affect people already living over here, will ultimately come down to the next party to win the election, so it's still uncertain, and these people talking about things as if they're certain, are frankly, morons.
its been brewing for years and it HAS been brewed by the likes of the EDL, Ukip, BNP etc over the years, stoking the fires so in theory...yes it is
its patriotic pride brought on by xenophobic / racist groups of individuals.
Being patriotic doesn't mean your a xenophobe or a racist. These are straw man arguments.
Why has this being 'brewing for years'? Because your ilk shout and close down arguments by using the very pathetic arguments you have used here "racists", "xenophobes" etc...
You know that this is about more than just import and export tariffs, right? About 80% of the UK economy is based on services. The EU has little incentive to let the UK keep its passport for the sale of services into the EU. One of the biggest areas of trade that Britain could offer to non-EU countries was in services and access to the EU single market. We could sell banking or insurance services in France, Germany, Italy etc to companies in the US, India, China etc. Well, that's **** into a cocked hat now.
All ponzi schemes that would have never worked along term. Let us trade in actual physical objects.
What exactly are you planning to sell to India and China? They have no need or desire to import manufactured goods - they would rather make them themselves. Indeed they put heavy tariffs on imports. Why do you think German manufacturers have had to open factories in China to serve the Chinese market.
Patrick Minford, the Brexit economist advocates unilaterally opening the UK market to China et-al. He wants us to sell services to them, not goods. In fact he sees the total annihilation of UK manufacturing as a price worth paying. How does that fit in with your vision?
come on dont be niave hes a politician....sort of, it was on his campaign bus, hes part of the campaign, he knew it was there, he must know facts on why they want to leave and how to leave?
he was making excuses
MOST MEPs we vote for? thats why idiots like Nigel Farage got into the European parliament
Explain for the viewers of the forums how the EU democracy works?
Presidents, tick.
Commissioners, tick.
Their proposals of law, tick.
The EU parliment, ermmmm? OK!
Us, ermmmm?
You know that this is about more than just import and export tariffs, right? About 80% of the UK economy is based on services. The EU has little incentive to let the UK keep its passport for the sale of services into the EU. One of the biggest areas of trade that Britain could offer to non-EU countries was in services and access to the EU single market. We could sell banking or insurance services in France, Germany, Italy etc to companies in the US, India, China etc. Well, that's **** into a cocked hat now.
All ponzi schemes that would have never worked long term. Let us trade in actual physical objects.
But being Scot that is pro SNP (I presume) and pro EU I ask you this:
What is the point of wanting independence and then going cap in hand to the EU?
You are gaining more freedom and then trading it in for a non-democratic dictatorship! And you must accept that any new country applying to the EU must adopt the euro would mean far more losses than the current -7% to GBP!?
I have explained this. I'm not looking for an abstract and absolute (impossible) concept of "freedom", I'm looking for the necessary powers to change Scotland for what (I think) would be the better outcome. Those powers are held at Westminster.
Whether I'm a citizen in an independent country (of any size) or a citizen of a country that's part of a supranational entity, I can never have the absolute freedom to do whatever I want, I always have to take others into consideration.
But being Scot that is pro SNP (I presume) and pro EU I ask you this:
What is the point of wanting independence and then going cap in hand to the EU?
You are gaining more freedom and then trading it in for a non-democratic dictatorship! And you must accept that any new country applying to the EU must adopt the euro would mean far more losses than the current -7% to GBP!?
I have explained this. I'm not looking for an abstract and absolute (impossible) concept of "freedom", I'm looking for the necessary powers to change Scotland for what (I think) would be the better outcome. Those powers are held at Westminster.
Whether I'm a citizen in an independent country (of any size) or a citizen of a country that's part of a supranational entity, I can never have the absolute freedom to do whatever I want, I always have to take others into consideration.
OK sounds like your fine being under a undemocratic dictatorship, but here this: your argument is that you want a better deal than the Barnett formula?
@Van_Dammesque
Considering you wanted this thread closed, and you then said that you don't post on WoS very often, you do seem to be posting a hell of lot of replies.
I'm amused that you are continuing to take what I have said, and what others have said and continue to make your case. The poll is over. The U.K. is going to leave the E.U. So why are you still posting?
And why do you think you will change my mind. My views are just as valid as yours. I was effectively asked why I wanted to remain. So I said why. Then all I get is you picking over what I said. If this was before the referendum, I could understand it. But now? Why?
I'm also amused that you think that the UK national government will be 100% accountable to the people of this country. Err, no. Not with a first past the post system, and where elections only have to be held every FIVE years. It is more like an elected dictatorship from where I am.
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Watching the BBC coverage. Amused by the foreigns who now think that we're all a bunch of racists that don't like them.
I find it strange how one poll can suddenly alter people's perception so much?
OH MY GOD, IT'S A COUNTRY OF RACISTS !!!
How much it will affect people already living over here, will ultimately come down to the next party to win the election, so it's still uncertain, and these people talking about things as if they're certain, are frankly, morons.
its been brewing for years and it HAS been brewed by the likes of the EDL, Ukip, BNP etc over the years, stoking the fires so in theory...yes it is
its patriotic pride brought on by xenophobic / racist groups of individuals.
Being patriotic doesn't mean your a xenophobe or a racist. These are straw man arguments.
Why has this being 'brewing for years'? Because your ilk shout and close down arguments by using the very pathetic arguments you have used here "racists", "xenophobes" etc...
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1. We need to be self-sufficient as possible (something I can go into detail). Which means, fundamentally, keeping greenlands green for crops and livestock.
2. Should the greenbelt beauty not be preserved?
3. If we goto (10 ;p ) to the max. density does that mean we need to all live in small pods like the Japanese hotels?
We have now 100% accountability to the MP's and their manifestos. Remember Cameron's pledge was 10k per year, more like 100k per year NET.
Don't see no reason why this co-operation shouldn't continue, the threat goes both ways, but in any event we will have the final say.
Theresa May tried to deport a convicted Italian rapist (a few days ago) and had to appeal to the supreme court (EU) to get him deported.
Remember the rapist who was not deported from the UK to another EU country due to his human right to a family! He shouldn't be anywhere near his children! Or another who could not be deported, again down to the EU, because he had a cat! This is not fiction folks I could quote links but do your own research so you are confident I am not telling lies.
Oh yes, the "we are not part of the Shengen agreement" argument, correct we are not. All this means is an EU passport has to be flashed on your way into the country. So anyone landing within he EU gets a passport from another country can walk into ours. Yep, that is the amount of control we have (or had?)!
Mostly imported without the consent of the electorate, based upon shoddy border controls. The basis of which would be worthy of a separate thread regarding multiculturalism and cultural relativism.
A banking crash would be based on no real physical assets just speculations and futures, something the predominate left are against, ironically.
The latter: how many have received pay rises? What about the wage compression due to the EU's freedom of movement?
This is a logical fallacy on two separate accounts, the first is a echo of what I said earlier "we can elect a gov. that is 100% responsible for it's manifesto pledge". In other words if your course was worthy (and I mean that in the greatest respects) then it should be given. I come from the north-east and was one of the last to lot to receive free grants for university education (would have qualified under current rules anyway) but subsidies need to be justified.
Secondly, we paid a NET contribution to the EU, therefore your grant for the training course was paid by us anyway! And not "a lot" comes back, it is about half, do the maths your course cost the taxpayer 200% of what was needed! (again I reiterate the respect that I mean that in the greatest respects.)
This interesting, I am starting my own business and require parts from Germany.
I had to pay VAT and EURO to GBP charges for my troubles, I saw no benefits this way.
But buying from China or other places is so cheap negates any charges that would incur, and I have parts that could be bought from them.
Of course, human working conditions are probably for another topic.
To link workers rights to phone charges is grasping at straws.
An independent UK could have workers rights, this is a non-sequitur.
If the cause and arguments are good then there are no reasons for a co-op between countries, eg. UN, NATO as examples.
The UK is 5th in GDP, this is enough clout, even if we weren't as high, how does Iceland, the Swiss get on? They are free!
I value freedom over your holidays and 10 min inconvenience after getting of the plane.
Three points regarding this:
1. A lack of training and investment in skills of our OWN people brings these shortages!
2. We can still import required skills (and should foresee a skills gap and plug it on a government level). Vote for a gov. that does this.
3. What about the brain-drain from the respective countries these people come from? What about their people? Surely if they are poorer then they need them more than we do? This is the biggest paradox the left have yet to consider, never mind argue about!
what is article 50? What is article 14 or 32? don't know? Why not?
Well if you actually listened and absorbed facts then you'd know what he said.
For others: he wasn't part of the same campaign! Wasn't responsible for the advert and wouldn't have done it.
Gives them a mandate, it could be overruled by the MPs, they have the final decision.
They would be opening a can of worms IMO.
Views outside of Russia on the goings on there are quite different from what is portrayed inside Russia. For instance, Crimea was a clandestine invasion by Russia, who took control of media outlets, pumped propaganda onto the airwaves and held a weekend vote with gun-toting soldiers in the streets to legitimize annexation. In every other deomocratic country in the world, votes on separation normally happen after many years of public discussion and sometimes fester for decades. That's quite different from the week-long propaganda push by Russia after that invasion.
I think it's best not to pollute this thread with such discussion :)
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I don't think it does unless the leavers decide to stick to their insane promise of immediate exit.
I think what the UK is committed to is negotiation to exit and it would be possible to hold a referendum at the end of that to determine if the conditions of exit were acceptable. You can't just ignore a referendum result.
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Juncker has no power to impose laws or decisions. He and the commission can only propose them, then they are subject to vote by the elected members of the European Parliament, or the elected leaders of the member states in the council. Arguably the European Parliament is more democratic than the UK Parliament because it has promotional representation. The UK currently has a government that only 30-odd percent of the people voted for. It also has a completely unelected House of Lords.
But being Scot that is pro SNP (I presume) and pro EU I ask you this:
What is the point of wanting independence and then going cap in hand to the EU?
You are gaining more freedom and then trading it in for a non-democratic dictatorship! And you must accept that any new country applying to the EU must adopt the euro would mean far more losses than the current -7% to GBP!?
come on dont be niave hes a politician....sort of, it was on his campaign bus, hes part of the campaign, he knew it was there, he must know facts on why they want to leave and how to leave?
he was making excuses
No, because he was too busy recycling Nazi propaganda.
The TTIP consultations for example needs comparable power on both sides of the table.
Ingo.
Why has this being 'brewing for years'? Because your ilk shout and close down arguments by using the very pathetic arguments you have used here "racists", "xenophobes" etc...
What exactly are you planning to sell to India and China? They have no need or desire to import manufactured goods - they would rather make them themselves. Indeed they put heavy tariffs on imports. Why do you think German manufacturers have had to open factories in China to serve the Chinese market.
Patrick Minford, the Brexit economist advocates unilaterally opening the UK market to China et-al. He wants us to sell services to them, not goods. In fact he sees the total annihilation of UK manufacturing as a price worth paying. How does that fit in with your vision?
Explain for the viewers of the forums how the EU democracy works?
Presidents, tick.
Commissioners, tick.
Their proposals of law, tick.
The EU parliment, ermmmm? OK!
Us, ermmmm?
Answer: NONE!
I have explained this. I'm not looking for an abstract and absolute (impossible) concept of "freedom", I'm looking for the necessary powers to change Scotland for what (I think) would be the better outcome. Those powers are held at Westminster.
Whether I'm a citizen in an independent country (of any size) or a citizen of a country that's part of a supranational entity, I can never have the absolute freedom to do whatever I want, I always have to take others into consideration.
OK sounds like your fine being under a undemocratic dictatorship, but here this: your argument is that you want a better deal than the Barnett formula?
Considering you wanted this thread closed, and you then said that you don't post on WoS very often, you do seem to be posting a hell of lot of replies.
I'm amused that you are continuing to take what I have said, and what others have said and continue to make your case. The poll is over. The U.K. is going to leave the E.U. So why are you still posting?
And why do you think you will change my mind. My views are just as valid as yours. I was effectively asked why I wanted to remain. So I said why. Then all I get is you picking over what I said. If this was before the referendum, I could understand it. But now? Why?
I'm also amused that you think that the UK national government will be 100% accountable to the people of this country. Err, no. Not with a first past the post system, and where elections only have to be held every FIVE years. It is more like an elected dictatorship from where I am.
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