Yeah, going by his replies to me, we may be waiting a long time.
In the same post where he quoted me saying why, he asks why I posted my reasons for voting remain >:)
And he cannot understand why I voted to remain, but dislike the British electoral system, when again I said why in my earlier post. I fancy he may not actually know much about the EU and how it works. If he does, maybe he can tell us.
Awaiting the detailed reply...
Detailed reply? I have already given you a detailed reply!
Still awaiting a detailed reply that describes what you know about the EU and what you know about how it works.
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Yep, my ballot paper had the cross next the next EU president, but being part of the HORDES OF MORONS (see admins) that I didn't vote the 'correct way'!
What a complete non-sequitur. I've no idea what you're saying but I'll guess it confirms what I said.
Whether I'm a citizen in an independent country (of any size) or a citizen of a country that's part of a supranational entity, I can never have the absolute freedom to do whatever I want, I always have to take others into consideration.
OK sounds like your fine being under a undemocratic dictatorship, but here this: your argument is that you want a better deal than the Barnett formula?
Well, in the UK, we have an amending chamber that is entirely populated by appointees and hereditary peers. We have a supreme court, all unelected. We cannot elect the head of state, it is a hereditary post.
Were we living in a European dictatorship? Well some things were decided by qualified majority, but that is a consequence of being in a union. You don't get to vote for MPs in England/Scotland/Northern Ireland/Wales (delete as applicable) but you still have to abide by the decision of parliament. If you class the EU as a dictatorship then you must class the UK (or any kind of union) as a dictatorship, if you judge them by the same standards. We also have specific opt-outs from certain categories of EU law, in the areas that were deemed most important by the elected UK government of the day.
Of course, the ultimate test of dictatorship would be "can you vote to leave?" and the answer was yes...
As for the Barnett formula, that only covers money. It's far from the powers of a sovereign or fully-devolved state.
OK if this is true you have voted for a system that adds another layer of 'un-democracy'!?
OK if this is true you have voted for a system that adds another layer of 'un-democracy'!?
No, if Scotland leave they the UK will remove layers of un-democracy and if they join the EU they will add layers of democracy.
Simply repeating yourself over and over again doesn't further your argument that the EU is undemocratic.
Everything is relative :) . About 97% of the Crimean population voted for the return of the Peninsula to Russia. This referendum was attended by about 87% of the residents. Evaluate the difference :) .
Views outside of Russia on the goings on there are quite different from what is portrayed inside Russia. For instance, Crimea was a clandestine invasion by Russia, who took control of media outlets, pumped propaganda onto the airwaves and held a weekend vote with gun-toting soldiers in the streets to legitimize annexation. In every other deomocratic country in the world, votes on separation normally happen after many years of public discussion and sometimes fester for decades. That's quite different from the week-long propaganda push by Russia after that invasion.
I think it's best not to pollute this thread with such discussion :)
It is quite natural that Western propaganda turns white into black and Vice versa, given that the EU and the USA were the sponsors of an unconstitutional Nazi coup in Ukraine :) .
OK if this is true you have voted for a system that adds another layer of 'un-democracy'!?
No, if Scotland leave they the UK will remove layers of un-democracy and if they join the EU they will add layers of democracy.
Simply repeating yourself over and over again doesn't further your argument that the EU is undemocratic.
You are missing a fundamental point:
Scotland says we want freedom. Gets it/
Scotland says: We go cap in hand to the EU!
EU says says yes we accept! Here are x,y,z demands!
Scotland: were also want a,b,c.
EU: nope!
Scotland: but but....
Good luck if this your outlook.
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Yep, my ballot paper had the cross next the next EU president, but being part of the HORDES OF MORONS (see admins) that I didn't vote the 'correct way'!
What a complete non-sequitur. I've no idea what you're saying but I'll guess it confirms what I said.
It means have YOU voted for the EU president etc..?
Have you had a pamphlet stating what the next EU 'dictat' said?
A manifesto from EU commission?
Have you?
You are missing a fundamental point:
Scotland says we want freedom. Gets it/
Scotland says: We go cap in hand to the EU!
EU says says yes we accept! Here are x,y,z demands!
Scotland: were also want a,b,c.
EU: nope!
Scotland: but but....
You accidentally forgot to mention how that post follows on from your "EU is uncemocratic" 'argument'...
If Scotland want to leave the UK so that they can pursue a continued membership of the EU then I'm sure that's what will happen. I can't see how they can be denied a second referendum now, so it's up to them.
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You accidentally forgot to mention how that post follows on from your "EU is uncemocratic" 'argument'...
If Scotland want to leave the UK so that they can pursue a continued membership of the EU then I'm sure that's what will happen. I can't see how they can be denied a second referendum now, so it's up to them.
Who are them?
The Scottish have had two votes:
1. Depart from the UK? No.
2. Should the UK depart from the the EU.Yes.
Virtually all young folk I know voted 'leave' (if they voted at all), but there again most young folk I know are single mothers, chavs etc.
This crap about the 'young' all being pro EU is utter nonsense, they are polling a handful of students and using that as some kind of guide as to which way the 'youth' tend to lean.
These findings are not representative of the youth at all. If these pollsters took a trip off university campus they'd understand.
Hmm, not that I have asked everyone, but keeping in mind the age ranges in the posted chart, yep, they count as "young" and yep, of those I talked with, more were for remain than leave (this was before the the actual vote).
Don't know about other age ranges, as I did not ask many older people (bit hard to find people over the retirement age at work).
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Hmm, not that I have asked everyone, but keeping in mind the age ranges in the posted chart, yep, they count as "young" and yep, of those I talked with, more were for remain than leave (this was before the the actual vote).
Don't know about other age ranges, as I did ask many older people (bit hard to find people over the retirement age at work).
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What, who are the people who will decide the outcome of a second Scottish independence referendum? I'm guessing that would be the Scottish electorate.
They have no mandate, but if they did, they would walk into an EU dictatorship, that little nippy would be proud of.
Where is your argument for freedom or democracy!? Why do you want independence if only to remove it!?
It is quite natural that Western propaganda turns white into black and Vice versa, given that the EU and the USA were the sponsors of an unconstitutional Nazi coup in Ukraine :) .[/quote]
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What, who are the people who will decide the outcome of a second Scottish independence referendum? I'm guessing that would be the Scottish electorate.
They have no mandate, but if they did, they would walk into an EU dictatorship, that little nippy would be proud of.
Where is your argument for freedom or democracy!? Why do you want independence if only to remove it!?
What? The Scottish people have no mandate :-O
Don't say that out loud near Scotland, or near a Scottish person :))
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What a complete non-sequitur. I've no idea what you're saying but I'll guess it confirms what I said.
OK if this is true you have voted for a system that adds another layer of 'un-democracy'!?
No, if Scotland leave they the UK will remove layers of un-democracy and if they join the EU they will add layers of democracy.
Simply repeating yourself over and over again doesn't further your argument that the EU is undemocratic.
It is quite natural that Western propaganda turns white into black and Vice versa, given that the EU and the USA were the sponsors of an unconstitutional Nazi coup in Ukraine :) .
You are missing a fundamental point:
Scotland says we want freedom. Gets it/
Scotland says: We go cap in hand to the EU!
EU says says yes we accept! Here are x,y,z demands!
Scotland: were also want a,b,c.
EU: nope!
Scotland: but but....
Good luck if this your outlook.
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It means have YOU voted for the EU president etc..?
Have you had a pamphlet stating what the next EU 'dictat' said?
A manifesto from EU commission?
Have you?
You accidentally forgot to mention how that post follows on from your "EU is uncemocratic" 'argument'...
If Scotland want to leave the UK so that they can pursue a continued membership of the EU then I'm sure that's what will happen. I can't see how they can be denied a second referendum now, so it's up to them.
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A lot, but if I were to supply the facts would YOU change your mind? Nope is my guess, so why waste my time!
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Excuse me?
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The Scottish have had two votes:
1. Depart from the UK? No.
2. Should the UK depart from the the EU.Yes.
These are two and distinct separate questions.
Virtually all young folk I know voted 'leave' (if they voted at all), but there again most young folk I know are single mothers, chavs etc.
This crap about the 'young' all being pro EU is utter nonsense, they are polling a handful of students and using that as some kind of guide as to which way the 'youth' tend to lean.
These findings are not representative of the youth at all. If these pollsters took a trip off university campus they'd understand.
Link?
Don't know about other age ranges, as I did not ask many older people (bit hard to find people over the retirement age at work).
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What, who are the people who will decide the outcome of a second Scottish independence referendum? I'm guessing that would be the Scottish electorate.
No it isn't... It's an exit poll. The source is right there in the screenshot...
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They have no mandate, but if they did, they would walk into an EU dictatorship, that little nippy would be proud of.
Where is your argument for freedom or democracy!? Why do you want independence if only to remove it!?
It is quite natural that Western propaganda turns white into black and Vice versa, given that the EU and the USA were the sponsors of an unconstitutional Nazi coup in Ukraine :) .[/quote]
Where are you from Black cat?
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What? The Scottish people have no mandate :-O
Don't say that out loud near Scotland, or near a Scottish person :))
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Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
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Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
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Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)