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Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
No, but allowing the UK to perform passport checks at the French end of the chunnel makes little sense
It does make sense to have juxtaposed controls on the channel crossings because it prevents having to turn people and lorries around and send them back across the crossing.
There would be upsides to getting rid of the current situation as I gather that is part of what has prevented UK-Germany rail services.
I fear the french iron lady and menaces from the big american friend. Wasn't GB already a big exception in EU? I don't know what was the problem.. nationalist propaganda to lure voters and gain power? too much immigration which affects social services? though I think there is no significative unemployment in GB.. the big wits don't like what they signed and want to force a commerce deal without free movement of workers? If Cameron negotiated new conditions a fwe moths ago why he didn't withdraw the referendum? many people seem not to like the euro thingy in terms of political integration.. ouch I'm lost in these matters
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
FYI, I'm neither a full blooded socialist nor a full blooded capitalist. I'm also not a liberal, as I have stong views on a range of issues. I'm not a sheep. I look at as much information as I can and make my own mind up. So I often cause upset to people who think I'm one or the other.
After looking at various sources of information, and various predictions, I decided that the risks of leaving and the benefits of leaving did not outweigh the benefits of remaining.
In the last set of figures for immigration, more people came in legally from outside the EU than came from the EU. I could go on, but it's too late now. And most of the people who voted to "leave" are not likely to listen to me anyway.
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Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Now, while I do not agree that leave voters are thick, you don't appear to know or don't want to say anything about what the EU is, or how it works. So that indicates to me that you don't have a clue about what the EU actually is, or how it works.
I know all about the EU, I do not have write an essay nor justify my knowledge to you.
I am not spending much more time in this thread, I have made my arguments about the EU which have not been answered, nor wish to debate further due to insults (being thick due to my voting preference), being suckered by propaganda (meaning I do have a brain to have rational thought) and accused of having no clue about the subject matter.
Now, while I do not agree that leave voters are thick, you don't appear to know or don't want to say anything about what the EU is, or how it works. So that indicates to me that you don't have a clue about what the EU actually is, or how it works.
I know all about the EU, I do not have write an essay nor justify my knowledge to you.
I am not spending much more time in this thread, I have made my arguments about the EU which have not been answered, nor wish to debate further due to insults (being thick due to my voting preference), being suckered by propaganda (meaning I do have a brain to have rational thought) and have no clue about the subject matter.
If you don't wish to tell us, that's fine. If you leave this thread, that's fine too.
But if you have such a detailed knowledge, I would have thought you could at least have demonstrated that by telling us something about the EU or your MEP.
Oh, and I already said why I wanted to remain. Why would I reply to your arguments? In fact, what do you actually want from me. Did you come here looking for some arguments?
In the same way that what I wrote appears to have had little effect on you, so what you have written has not changed my mind. Of course it would have helped if you had made a better case, but who cares now. The U.K. voted to leave.
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
And most of the people who voted to "leave" are not likely to listen to me anyway.
It wouldn't matter if they did or not now anyway.
I think this is an important point: If you are pro Remain, and some of your friends voted Leave just consider that if they had all voted the other way it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. At this point the decision is made and it's not worth burning bridges with your friends over. To a remain voter the decision to leave may have been the stupid one, but that doesn't mean 52% of the country are stupid. I know intelligent people who voted to Leave and are just as convinced that not seizing the chance to leave the EU would've been stupid. I see my friends falling out over it on facebook and being bitter to each other which isn't going to help anyone.
Note that I still reserve the right to call people stupid if they say something really stupid :p
Anyone who believes that the government will spend an extra 350 million quid a week on the NHS when we leave for example I think think is at best stunningly naive.
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Err, so explain to me what happened at the last general election then?
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Err, so explain to me what happened at the last general election then?
Last election didnt have the same turnout as this referendum though. At least this referendum has stirred people into voting instead of just sitting around moaning about the state of things.
We shouldn't deal with china, usa and russia. That's unfair competition with euro social systems. Take it or leave it, that's our way of trading. Go for it!! Vote Hikoki
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Err, so explain to me what happened at the last general election then?
Last election didnt have the same turnout as this referendum though. At least this referendum has stirred people into voting instead of just sitting around moaning about the state of things.
But, the establishment party, the Conservatives won. With a majority. And that was not that long ago. So are you really expecting me to believe in the short space of time between the two, that much changed?
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
We shouldn't deal with china, usa and russia. That's unfair competition with euro social systems. Take it or leave it, that's our way of trading. Go for it!! Vote Hikoki
But China & USA have all the money, it would suicidal not to deal with them.
There was a programme on a few years back where unemployed british people were given factory jobs that Polish people were doing without problems. They lasted a few hours. I do think imigration is too high, but our main issue is our own population. I've no issue with benefits for people genuinely in hardship and looking for work, but people should be made to give something back to society. There needs to be more control. I think the Europeans were in many situations doing jobs which our people did not want to do. This is from someone who worked in McDonalds many years ago to make ends meet. I just don't think we can survive on our own in this modern connected world. The political classes from both sides should be ashamed with all the lies they told. The leave camp seemed rather surprised they had won.
"Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor." - Priti Patel
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Err, so explain to me what happened at the last general election then?
Last election didnt have the same turnout as this referendum though. At least this referendum has stirred people into voting instead of just sitting around moaning about the state of things.
But, the establishment party, the Conservatives won. With a majority. And that was not that long ago. So are you really expecting me to believe in the short space of time between the two, that much changed?
I know what you're saying, but Labour with Miliband wasnt much of an alternative for working class people, maybe his less geeky brother would have stood a better chance, but what is it about these Labour leadership elections?
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Those who voted to put 350 million into the NHS, or to massively cut immigration, or to take control are going to be disappointed. What happens then? Who do they blame? Themselves? The EU? The foreigners still in their midsts? Who will they turn to after they twig that it was just a different set of 'elites' who manipulated their concerns and sold them a lie? Don't be surprised it things start to turn very ugly.
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Those who voted to put 350 million into the NHS, or to massively cut immigration, or to take control are going to be disappointed. What happens then? Who do they blame? Themselves? The EU? The foreigners still in their midsts? Who will they turn to after they twig that it was just a different set of 'elites' who manipulated their concerns and sold them a lie? Don't be surprised it things start to turn very ugly.
I never voted for those reasons, I voted that way to kick the ruling elite in the balls and it worked.
Dont get me wrong, I am aware that ruling elite will try to do the same back, George Osbourne promised massive cuts, but time will tell.
We shouldn't deal with china, usa and russia. That's unfair competition with euro social systems. Take it or leave it, that's our way of trading. Go for it!! Vote Hikoki
But China & USA have all the money, it would suicidal not to deal with them.
L'union fait le force!! Oops wait a moment? I see your point.. we'd soon come back to the old good barter times and throw stones at each other. Give me some time to see if I can come up with a solution. Watch this space
Shocking how many socialists and so-called liberals are mourning the democratic rejection of a totalitarian capitalist entity.
its a tough one, because being an anarchist i hate the governmental and beauracratic regimes anyway. BUT i also hate the type of right wing thinking that has entered the general publics psyche perpetuated by the likes of the BNP, EDL and UKIp for decades.
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
come on, look where it all started, it STARTED with the likes of the NF, The BNP, then in later years EDL and UKIP its a right wing doctrine taken on by the general population.
The BNP wanted out of the EU back in the 80s, UKIP was started as an anti EU party. The general public have taken on the mantle as they are fed up of islamic terrorism and immigration, does that mean the population is turning more towards the right? my opinion is that it is.
and please dont educate me on what the working class is, im as white, english, male and working class as it comes ;)
its weird, why dont i feel the same as others, the ones doing the whinging about EU, Immigrants etc?? life sure aint perfect but.....
well now we'll see, it could well turn a bit worse for said working class when the tories get their claws into all the former EU laws that PROTECT the working classes, giving people rights.
and the finances of the country dont disolve
hope you gambled.....sorry voted well
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Since a lot of laws will need to be rewritten, i'm wondering how/if the rights involving employment will change, for example will the maximum working hours be changed? etc.
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“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
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It does make sense to have juxtaposed controls on the channel crossings because it prevents having to turn people and lorries around and send them back across the crossing.
There would be upsides to getting rid of the current situation as I gather that is part of what has prevented UK-Germany rail services.
Of course if we join the Schengen area... :)
JSpeccy-win32-portable
Also its the uncertainty of not knowing where the poorest in the countries next meal might come from, and will the government start eroding peoples rights now they have a mandate to ditch any / all rules and regulations they dont like which came from the EU
After looking at various sources of information, and various predictions, I decided that the risks of leaving and the benefits of leaving did not outweigh the benefits of remaining.
In the last set of figures for immigration, more people came in legally from outside the EU than came from the EU. I could go on, but it's too late now. And most of the people who voted to "leave" are not likely to listen to me anyway.
Mark
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
I am not spending much more time in this thread, I have made my arguments about the EU which have not been answered, nor wish to debate further due to insults (being thick due to my voting preference), being suckered by propaganda (meaning I do have a brain to have rational thought) and accused of having no clue about the subject matter.
But if you have such a detailed knowledge, I would have thought you could at least have demonstrated that by telling us something about the EU or your MEP.
Oh, and I already said why I wanted to remain. Why would I reply to your arguments? In fact, what do you actually want from me. Did you come here looking for some arguments?
In the same way that what I wrote appears to have had little effect on you, so what you have written has not changed my mind. Of course it would have helped if you had made a better case, but who cares now. The U.K. voted to leave.
Mark
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
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WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
I think this is an important point: If you are pro Remain, and some of your friends voted Leave just consider that if they had all voted the other way it wouldn't have made any difference to the outcome. At this point the decision is made and it's not worth burning bridges with your friends over. To a remain voter the decision to leave may have been the stupid one, but that doesn't mean 52% of the country are stupid. I know intelligent people who voted to Leave and are just as convinced that not seizing the chance to leave the EU would've been stupid. I see my friends falling out over it on facebook and being bitter to each other which isn't going to help anyone.
Note that I still reserve the right to call people stupid if they say something really stupid :p
Anyone who believes that the government will spend an extra 350 million quid a week on the NHS when we leave for example I think think is at best stunningly naive.
The leave vote has nothing to do with bigoted right wing sentiment Mel, stop buying into that nonsense.
Working class people are sick of the way these politicians are treating us with contempt, this referendum has given us the chance to give them a bloody nose and we have took that opportunity.
Cameron tearfully resigning, european leaders in a state of panic, the bankers in a state of abject confusion and the celebrity 'luvvies' blubbing into their bolinger, you couldnt ask for more surely?
As for the future who knows, but sitting around moping about right wingers, the elderly and the uneducated causing this so-called 'catastrophe' isnt gonna help is it?
Let the UK break up, if the Scots want to subject themselves to EU rule then thats up to them.
I cant see it working out somehow.
You keep making absurd statements and demanding other people try to disprove them. That's not arguing it's trolling.
Err, so explain to me what happened at the last general election then?
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Last election didnt have the same turnout as this referendum though. At least this referendum has stirred people into voting instead of just sitting around moaning about the state of things.
JSpeccy-win32-portable
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
"Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor." - Priti Patel
I know what you're saying, but Labour with Miliband wasnt much of an alternative for working class people, maybe his less geeky brother would have stood a better chance, but what is it about these Labour leadership elections?
Those who voted to put 350 million into the NHS, or to massively cut immigration, or to take control are going to be disappointed. What happens then? Who do they blame? Themselves? The EU? The foreigners still in their midsts? Who will they turn to after they twig that it was just a different set of 'elites' who manipulated their concerns and sold them a lie? Don't be surprised it things start to turn very ugly.
I never voted for those reasons, I voted that way to kick the ruling elite in the balls and it worked.
Dont get me wrong, I am aware that ruling elite will try to do the same back, George Osbourne promised massive cuts, but time will tell.
JSpeccy-win32-portable
come on, look where it all started, it STARTED with the likes of the NF, The BNP, then in later years EDL and UKIP its a right wing doctrine taken on by the general population.
The BNP wanted out of the EU back in the 80s, UKIP was started as an anti EU party. The general public have taken on the mantle as they are fed up of islamic terrorism and immigration, does that mean the population is turning more towards the right? my opinion is that it is.
and please dont educate me on what the working class is, im as white, english, male and working class as it comes ;)
its weird, why dont i feel the same as others, the ones doing the whinging about EU, Immigrants etc?? life sure aint perfect but.....
well now we'll see, it could well turn a bit worse for said working class when the tories get their claws into all the former EU laws that PROTECT the working classes, giving people rights.
and the finances of the country dont disolve
hope you gambled.....sorry voted well
I think you've cut off your nose to spite your face then.
Here here Guesser.