From what I gather, a significant majority of Scottish people don't necessarily want independence, but prefer to stay in the EU, and voted "stick with the UK" earlier because they expected the UK to remain in the EU.
Best choice for them will be to jump ship, hold a 2nd referendum, declare their independence, and remain in the EU as such, before the rest of the UK finalizes its leaving-the-EU proceedings. Possibly Northern Ireland will follow suit (and re-join the rest of Ireland? Maybe some good will come of this after all).
Great vid there, Mark! Stupid cow... but if she voted "out" she's forgiven. =))
From what I gather, a significant majority of Scottish people don't necessarily want independence, but prefer to stay in the EU, and voted "stick with the UK" earlier because they expected the UK to remain in the EU.
Best choice for them will be to jump ship, hold a 2nd referendum, declare their independence, and remain in the EU as such, before the rest of the UK finalizes its leaving-the-EU proceedings.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple, a newly independent Scotland wouldn't 'inherit' the UK's EU membership, they'd have to meet all the Copenhagen criteria and apply for membership on their own terms.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
I believe they re-iterated that point again last week.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
I believe they re-iterated that point again last week.
I presume that's more about internal politics in Spain than them having a dislike of Scotland?
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Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
I believe they re-iterated that point again last week.
I presume that's more about internal politics in Spain than them having a dislike of Scotland?
Unfortunately it isn't that simple, a newly independent Scotland wouldn't 'inherit' the UK's EU membership, they'd have to meet all the Copenhagen criteria and apply for membership on their own terms.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
There will be definitely be complications. The law in Scotland already meets EU law but there are some opt-outs, so it's possible that there will be areas that will have to be modified (if it's impossible to keep the opt-outs). However, there is a clear period of 2 (or more) years to negotiate that.
A number of EU countries have been "taking their time" over joining the Euro, so being obliged to join the Euro on paper is not quite the same as in practice.
The Schengen borders issue will be the most difficult one and will probably require some sort of compromise.
Of course, there are a lot of variables. Once things cool down, we have to wait and see:
Where Scottish public opinion settles.
The makeup of parliament after the general election.
What the new UK government proposes as what "leave" actually means.
Whether it's possible for some parts of the UK to stay in the EU without the rest.
Whether the new UK government would try to block a new independence referendum.
What the economy is like over the next two years.
What the EU decides our entry (or continuation) criteria would be.
What the EU will be like in two years time.
But it's important to do the groundwork now and be prepared for whatever may arise.
The FTSE 250 has fallen by seven percent two days running, sterling is at its lowest against the dollar for over three decades and trading in some shares has been suspended. My Legal and General shares have lost a third of their value. That's absolutely insane because LGEN is a well-run company.
I've just been out to fill the car before the price of petrol starts to shoot up. I'll be stocking up the cupboards too as prices are going to rise everywhere fairly soon. If anyone is looking to purchase any consumer goods I'd suggest you do so sooner rather than later.
We're all going to have to work a few more years before we can retire as billions have been wiped off the value of pensions too. It's all looking pretty grim and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. We're stuck with this situation now.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
I believe they re-iterated that point again last week.
I presume that's more about internal politics in Spain than them having a dislike of Scotland?
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Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
the reason the EU want Brexit to happen quickly is because there is a very real "danger" or "opportunity" (depending on your viewpoint) that the EU will disintegrate (subsequent exits by the Netherland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria and even France down the line); especially if the UK manages to snag a deal that gives them decent access to the market but no interference from the EU Parliament/Commission/Council.
Scotland may wish to rejoin (or somehow continue membership) of the EU after a possible second indyref; but the EU may not be around in its present form, or it may be so damaged it is not worth joining.
The EUref was the biggest democratic event since universal suffrage. The people have spoken. A large minority of those that voted do not like the results; but thats what you get when you put something to the vote. Winners and losers.
Europhiles (horrible term) need to regroup, need to get into talks with the Eurosceptics in the coming years and determine what was good about the EU (co-operation, neighborliness); and what was rotten (lack of democracy, bureaucracy, ever-increasing scope, flawed economic system that impoverished the south, and made a servant class out of the east as a tap of cheap labour for the west); and rebuild a proper commonwealth of peoples rather than a superstate.
Anti-EU sentiment is rising across the continent. That could be a real disaster if the sentiment is ignored and the pressure allowed to build
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As for Labour - well, that party just doesn't know what they want or who they appeal to.
Should have typed 4Chan.
Probably still know more about the EU than you do though.
Well, no. Not unless your plan is to die horribly.
No such thing, although they can say how discontented they are they have no veto. As tweeted by one of the snp`s legal eagles this afternoon.
well we just did it, so...been nice knowing you :P
Best choice for them will be to jump ship, hold a 2nd referendum, declare their independence, and remain in the EU as such, before the rest of the UK finalizes its leaving-the-EU proceedings. Possibly Northern Ireland will follow suit (and re-join the rest of Ireland? Maybe some good will come of this after all).
Great vid there, Mark! Stupid cow... but if she voted "out" she's forgiven. =))
... but then the Englishman wanted to leave, so they all had to go.
;)
The Scotsman and Irishman ordered the most expensive whisky on the menu whilst the Englishman drank coke, and then all three split the bill in thirds.
FTFY.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple, a newly independent Scotland wouldn't 'inherit' the UK's EU membership, they'd have to meet all the Copenhagen criteria and apply for membership on their own terms.
Even then, they'd need the approval of all the other EU members, and the Spanish government has stated in the past that they'd veto Scotland's application for membership.
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
There will be definitely be complications. The law in Scotland already meets EU law but there are some opt-outs, so it's possible that there will be areas that will have to be modified (if it's impossible to keep the opt-outs). However, there is a clear period of 2 (or more) years to negotiate that.
A number of EU countries have been "taking their time" over joining the Euro, so being obliged to join the Euro on paper is not quite the same as in practice.
The Schengen borders issue will be the most difficult one and will probably require some sort of compromise.
Of course, there are a lot of variables. Once things cool down, we have to wait and see:
Where Scottish public opinion settles.
The makeup of parliament after the general election.
What the new UK government proposes as what "leave" actually means.
Whether it's possible for some parts of the UK to stay in the EU without the rest.
Whether the new UK government would try to block a new independence referendum.
What the economy is like over the next two years.
What the EU decides our entry (or continuation) criteria would be.
What the EU will be like in two years time.
But it's important to do the groundwork now and be prepared for whatever may arise.
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The FTSE 250 has fallen by seven percent two days running, sterling is at its lowest against the dollar for over three decades and trading in some shares has been suspended. My Legal and General shares have lost a third of their value. That's absolutely insane because LGEN is a well-run company.
I've just been out to fill the car before the price of petrol starts to shoot up. I'll be stocking up the cupboards too as prices are going to rise everywhere fairly soon. If anyone is looking to purchase any consumer goods I'd suggest you do so sooner rather than later.
We're all going to have to work a few more years before we can retire as billions have been wiped off the value of pensions too. It's all looking pretty grim and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. We're stuck with this situation now.
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Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Mark
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Scotland may wish to rejoin (or somehow continue membership) of the EU after a possible second indyref; but the EU may not be around in its present form, or it may be so damaged it is not worth joining.
The EUref was the biggest democratic event since universal suffrage. The people have spoken. A large minority of those that voted do not like the results; but thats what you get when you put something to the vote. Winners and losers.
Europhiles (horrible term) need to regroup, need to get into talks with the Eurosceptics in the coming years and determine what was good about the EU (co-operation, neighborliness); and what was rotten (lack of democracy, bureaucracy, ever-increasing scope, flawed economic system that impoverished the south, and made a servant class out of the east as a tap of cheap labour for the west); and rebuild a proper commonwealth of peoples rather than a superstate.
Anti-EU sentiment is rising across the continent. That could be a real disaster if the sentiment is ignored and the pressure allowed to build