The fact you don't like Syndicate explains why you don't rate the Amiga - You don't like good games! :)
Syndicate is one of the best games ever imho. Bullfrog made some great games before Peter Moleyneux started believing his own hype! Theme Park, Syndicate, Populous 1&2. I never got into Powermonger though.
I don't actually dislike Syndicate, I just prefer Syndicate Wars.
I think boozy secretly loves the Amiga. He's got an A500 set up in his attic and plays Rise of the Robots on it when his wife's out!
Nah mine was an A600, and I'd probably like to have kept it actually, I pretty much had most of the games I liked for the machine, plus a few turds as well. Can't complain about what I got considering it was free.
I think boozy secretly loves the Amiga. He's got an A500 set up in his attic and plays Rise of the Robots on it when his wife's out!
Ha ha! Rise of The Robots. What a game! The only version I ever played was on the Mega-Drive. What a massive, steaming pile of sewage it was. Hilariously terrible.
Rise of the Robots! Rise of the Robots? I think that was terrible on every system the SNES version was really bad, don't think I've had the misfortune of playing the Megadrive version before, I don't think I even checked it out emulated to see what it was like even for a laugh? Shaq-Fu was better than Rise of the Robots...Now that's saying something! :))
I don't really love or hate the machine to be honest, my stance is that it's basically not as good as everyone made it out to be. I actually did want one when I was younger, but I had a couple of mates who already owned them, and the games I played at their houses (Some of which were "BIG" titles at the time), and listening to them gibbering on about those, and stuff like the animation features of D-Paint III all day long literally put me off. The arcade conversions were mostly awful, and I played a lot of arcades at the time, so this disappointed me a lot. I still remember one of my idiot friends trying to convince me that Final Fight on the Amiga was good, it wasn't! A lot of the hypey games bored the crap out of me Psygnosis, and EA seemed especially guilty of releasing the exact same game over and over just with different graphics. My friends would get all excited about a game, and invite me over, and I'd just get bored while they were loving playing whatever game they were playing. My mate had an old black and white TV in his bedroom, so while they were playing the Miggy I hooked his Speccy up to that and played on it instead, with them taking the p*ss out of me the entire time :))
Funny thing is...and I've probably told this story before, but one of my miggy owning mates came to mine to play Streetfighter 2 on my SNES, and spent the whole time literally just repeating over and over the graphics aren't that good, the graphics aren't that good, the graphics aren't that good, funny it was like a weird defense mechanism, and the graphics aren't that good was all he could come up with. I got to have a damn good laugh when he tried to convince me the shambolic joke of a conversion on the Amiga was better than the SNES one, oh how I laughed indeed.
I really annoyed him when he was blabbering on about Prince of Persia, and I just so happened to have got a loan of the Japanese import copy for the SNES. So I kept saying to him the whole time the graphics are better than the Amiga version, the graphics are better than the Amiga version. His defense to that was it might look better and have more levels but they cut the blood out. I don't think he realized I was making fun of him :))
My initial experience with the Amiga left me cold, and I pretty much realized I didn't like it that much, and potentially the only reason I thought I wanted one was cos' a few mates had them. Plus the price took the p*ss as well, I'd been saving money cos' my ma basically told me to sod off when I asked for one, but I thought to myself I don't actually want an Amiga now.
Can't remember what I spent the money on? I don't think I owned any consoles at the time?
I think back though and wonder if I had've followed suite, and bought the machine would it have grown on me, or would I have spent years afterwards watching it gathering dust, and kicking myself knowing that I'd blown 500 quid of my own money that I'd saved up on a machine I didn't really like?
I don't know why arcade conversions were so bad on the Amiga but they were bloody awful! And Street Fighter 2 was pretty bad but I never liked the game anyway. A lot of my friends at the time were selling their Amigas and Mega Drives to buy a Snes just for Street Fighter! Crazy I tell you!
The Amiga sure was expensive but most people made up for it by pirating all their games! I never knew how people afforded games for the Snes or Megadrive at £40 a time.
Well if you were willing to pay the same amount of money as an Amiga for pirated console games, a Magicom, or Magicdrive. But those devices were nigh on 300 quid, lump that in with the price of the console, and you'd paid the same, might as well have bought the computer. Plus the Magicom, and Magicdrive had to be frequently updated as the cart sizes increased, and more chips and hardware were sneaked into the carts.
From what I remember you had to pay pretty much the same for a new drive, I had a rather well off friend at school who was bitching to me that his 24MB Magicom was out of date and he'd only had it a few months, and now needed a 32MB one so he could play Super Streetfighter II....Insanity! :))
Yeah Whirlwind Snooker that was a bloody good game actually.
To this day I still think JW's Whirlwind Snooker has to be one of the greatest 16-bit programming achievements of all time. The amount of calculations on the break off must be mind-boggling and to achieve that on a processor with speeds of 7 to 8Mhz - wow.
JW2 was a brilliant game too on PC. In fact I don't think any pool or snooker game since has bettered it. I used to play against a mate on dial-up in the late 90's. Poor sod's dead now...
And you've a team mate where Speedball is concerned. Never thought much of it myself either and, to p!ss off the purists even more, I thought 1 was better...
Should all this chatter be on this thread?!, after all it was originally just about Silkworm vs Swiv,....which is all over now anyway,...the new edition is up now on another thread.
Fact is once the Amiga shrugged off all those ST ports it came into It's own,...a magical machine with many memories, the last true computer games machine made,...and my god some of those demo disks were incredible and the ones relesed in the last decade were just outstanding, if only I could take "Desert Dream" demo back in time when Atari and Amiga were showing off the famous bouncy ball, take the demo I have and slap it into the Amiga drive, their faces would be worth a million words, even Amiga company themselves wouldn't believe what their machine could actuall do,...the ST would have died right there, here, take a look:
All computers were intended to be for util and learning tools in schools and they all became something that they wern't intended for, they all became games machines.
Only those silly sods upgraded to pc's which thankfully I wasn't stupid enough to do, I stayed loyal to my Amiga A500 and my 8-bits :-D
A lot of arcade conversions were pretty poor on the Amiga - but for some of them the machine was well capable of doing the original justice. There were a lot of lazy ports.
One of the biggest travesties (for me) was the Amiga version of Exolon. It was a total embarrassment, absolutely no excuse for that level of sh*tness.
I did quite enjoy Mortal Kombat though, it was a decent enough version. BUT! Arcade Conversions were not what the Amiga was about - it was about quirky original games or twists on classic genres.
Boozy - I thought the SNES was okay. I played Street Fighter, Mario Kart, Desert Strike, Mario World on it. All good games - but the Amiga version of Desert Strike was better!
Anyone play a helicopter game called 'Apocalypse'? It had some great graphics and was extremely tough, but if you persevered with it a very good game opened up. If you liked Choplifter then you were quids in.
The Snes has a much better ratio of good to bad games however the Amiga has a lot more variety. The Snes has more pick up and play games whereas the Amiga has games like Civilization and Settlers, real time sinks that you can't have a quick go at.
As I've got older and my spare time has got less and less I can appreciate the Snes's qualities more but back then I much preferred the Amiga.
And Apocalypse was great. Another late in the day game was Zeewolf which was pretty gpod too.
The thing that actually got up my nose a little bit about the SNES was that a lot of the good Amiga games got converted to it, and there was a Mouse available for the SNES, but none of these games used it. Cannon Fodder on the SNES was a great conversion, but it didn't utilize the most important piece of kit for it, same with Syndicate, one of my mates bought that and he loved it, and he wasn't much of a gamer, but even he said why can't you use the mouse with it?
As for Desert Strike the SNES version is the worst version of the 3 16-bit systems it was released on back then. I preferred Jungle Strike anyway....Urban Strike was stupid :))
If you want a bit of a laugh on how not to convert an Amiga game to a console, try Corporation on the Megadrive it's a very brave attempt, but the machines hardware just wasn't really up to the job. Not that Corporation was anything special anyway, but still.
The only problem with Desert Strike on the Amiga was having to press space to scroll through the weapons which was stupid and cost me god knows how many lives!
Desert Strike is kind of boring after a while, but I think I've worked it out!
If it had the controls, and about 20% of the visuals of the SNES, the playability, and about 30% of the visuals of the Megadrive, and the sound, and about 50% of the visuals of the Amiga you'd have the definitive version of the game.
It'd still be boring though, and the Megadrive version of Jungle Strike would still be better than it, even with all the creases ironed out :))
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I don't actually dislike Syndicate, I just prefer Syndicate Wars.
Nah mine was an A600, and I'd probably like to have kept it actually, I pretty much had most of the games I liked for the machine, plus a few turds as well. Can't complain about what I got considering it was free.
Rise of the Robots! Rise of the Robots? I think that was terrible on every system the SNES version was really bad, don't think I've had the misfortune of playing the Megadrive version before, I don't think I even checked it out emulated to see what it was like even for a laugh? Shaq-Fu was better than Rise of the Robots...Now that's saying something! :))
I don't really love or hate the machine to be honest, my stance is that it's basically not as good as everyone made it out to be. I actually did want one when I was younger, but I had a couple of mates who already owned them, and the games I played at their houses (Some of which were "BIG" titles at the time), and listening to them gibbering on about those, and stuff like the animation features of D-Paint III all day long literally put me off. The arcade conversions were mostly awful, and I played a lot of arcades at the time, so this disappointed me a lot. I still remember one of my idiot friends trying to convince me that Final Fight on the Amiga was good, it wasn't! A lot of the hypey games bored the crap out of me Psygnosis, and EA seemed especially guilty of releasing the exact same game over and over just with different graphics. My friends would get all excited about a game, and invite me over, and I'd just get bored while they were loving playing whatever game they were playing. My mate had an old black and white TV in his bedroom, so while they were playing the Miggy I hooked his Speccy up to that and played on it instead, with them taking the p*ss out of me the entire time :))
Funny thing is...and I've probably told this story before, but one of my miggy owning mates came to mine to play Streetfighter 2 on my SNES, and spent the whole time literally just repeating over and over the graphics aren't that good, the graphics aren't that good, the graphics aren't that good, funny it was like a weird defense mechanism, and the graphics aren't that good was all he could come up with. I got to have a damn good laugh when he tried to convince me the shambolic joke of a conversion on the Amiga was better than the SNES one, oh how I laughed indeed.
I really annoyed him when he was blabbering on about Prince of Persia, and I just so happened to have got a loan of the Japanese import copy for the SNES. So I kept saying to him the whole time the graphics are better than the Amiga version, the graphics are better than the Amiga version. His defense to that was it might look better and have more levels but they cut the blood out. I don't think he realized I was making fun of him :))
My initial experience with the Amiga left me cold, and I pretty much realized I didn't like it that much, and potentially the only reason I thought I wanted one was cos' a few mates had them. Plus the price took the p*ss as well, I'd been saving money cos' my ma basically told me to sod off when I asked for one, but I thought to myself I don't actually want an Amiga now.
Can't remember what I spent the money on? I don't think I owned any consoles at the time?
I think back though and wonder if I had've followed suite, and bought the machine would it have grown on me, or would I have spent years afterwards watching it gathering dust, and kicking myself knowing that I'd blown 500 quid of my own money that I'd saved up on a machine I didn't really like?
The Amiga sure was expensive but most people made up for it by pirating all their games! I never knew how people afforded games for the Snes or Megadrive at £40 a time.
From what I remember you had to pay pretty much the same for a new drive, I had a rather well off friend at school who was bitching to me that his 24MB Magicom was out of date and he'd only had it a few months, and now needed a 32MB one so he could play Super Streetfighter II....Insanity! :))
To this day I still think JW's Whirlwind Snooker has to be one of the greatest 16-bit programming achievements of all time. The amount of calculations on the break off must be mind-boggling and to achieve that on a processor with speeds of 7 to 8Mhz - wow.
JW2 was a brilliant game too on PC. In fact I don't think any pool or snooker game since has bettered it. I used to play against a mate on dial-up in the late 90's. Poor sod's dead now...
And you've a team mate where Speedball is concerned. Never thought much of it myself either and, to p!ss off the purists even more, I thought 1 was better...
EDIT: Cool. You can play JWWS in a browser: http://playdosgamesonline.com/jimmy-white-whirlwind-snooker.html
Fact is once the Amiga shrugged off all those ST ports it came into It's own,...a magical machine with many memories, the last true computer games machine made,...and my god some of those demo disks were incredible and the ones relesed in the last decade were just outstanding, if only I could take "Desert Dream" demo back in time when Atari and Amiga were showing off the famous bouncy ball, take the demo I have and slap it into the Amiga drive, their faces would be worth a million words, even Amiga company themselves wouldn't believe what their machine could actuall do,...the ST would have died right there, here, take a look:
All computers were intended to be for util and learning tools in schools and they all became something that they wern't intended for, they all became games machines.
Only those silly sods upgraded to pc's which thankfully I wasn't stupid enough to do, I stayed loyal to my Amiga A500 and my 8-bits :-D
One of the biggest travesties (for me) was the Amiga version of Exolon. It was a total embarrassment, absolutely no excuse for that level of sh*tness.
I did quite enjoy Mortal Kombat though, it was a decent enough version. BUT! Arcade Conversions were not what the Amiga was about - it was about quirky original games or twists on classic genres.
Boozy - I thought the SNES was okay. I played Street Fighter, Mario Kart, Desert Strike, Mario World on it. All good games - but the Amiga version of Desert Strike was better!
Anyone play a helicopter game called 'Apocalypse'? It had some great graphics and was extremely tough, but if you persevered with it a very good game opened up. If you liked Choplifter then you were quids in.
As I've got older and my spare time has got less and less I can appreciate the Snes's qualities more but back then I much preferred the Amiga.
And Apocalypse was great. Another late in the day game was Zeewolf which was pretty gpod too.
As for Desert Strike the SNES version is the worst version of the 3 16-bit systems it was released on back then. I preferred Jungle Strike anyway....Urban Strike was stupid :))
If you want a bit of a laugh on how not to convert an Amiga game to a console, try Corporation on the Megadrive it's a very brave attempt, but the machines hardware just wasn't really up to the job. Not that Corporation was anything special anyway, but still.
If it had the controls, and about 20% of the visuals of the SNES, the playability, and about 30% of the visuals of the Megadrive, and the sound, and about 50% of the visuals of the Amiga you'd have the definitive version of the game.
It'd still be boring though, and the Megadrive version of Jungle Strike would still be better than it, even with all the creases ironed out :))
Black Hawk Up! :D