The thing about Greta is, you don't need her (or the media discussing about her) to do something for, or against the climate.
Then again, if you just need an excuse to not do anything, then it's perfectly fine. :)
I just think there are limits on what ordinary people can do - once you are reusing plastic bags, have low energy bulbs, perhaps using ones car less thats all I can think of.
There are many, many choices in most people’s lives. A lot of these choices have an effect elsewhere in the world.
For example, do you choose bar soap or liquid soap to wash your hands? Bar soap has lower transportation costs, hence the carbon dioxide emissions just for transport are lower for bar soap. There is normally less plastic packaging for bar soap compared to liquid soap. It may not appear to make much difference if just you, one person makes the more environmentally better choice, but if millions of people also make the more environmentally better choice, it can and does make a difference :-)
This is just one example, there are many, many others. Part of the challenge is educating people so that they can learn to actually make an informed judgement.
Yes, but it takes a very, very long, time for the habitat to go from wasteland back to rainforest, and it also needs no bad interference from mankind. What people don’t realise, is that once most of the nutrients are gone, the land is unable to support many of the rainforest plants, let alone trees. Without the roots of plants, the wind and rain will try to blow or wash topsoil away. This makes it even harder for trees to take root. So before most rainforest plants and trees can begin to spread back, pioneering plants have to take root and get established. Then many, many years will pass before conditions improve to the extent that the soil can start to support rainforest trees.
The larger the area of land that has been cleared, the greater the risk of soil erosion by wind and rain. And the longer the time period it will take before the native plants can become established again.
Mark
Yes I agree its about giving people knowledge to make their choices. But the really big choices are for industry and government - how energy is produced etc, and more efficient use. As I said earlier there seems to be (at present) no perfect solution, some things are more polluting than others, or generate more greenhouse gases, everything has some cost in terms of the environment. If all options are ruled out because of enviromental concerns nothing changes. So for instance people are afraid of and governments seem to hold back from moving more energy generation to Nuclear Power stations (Germany is phasing out its current reactors) and other countries are not building more. Yet apparently its cleaner (compared to coal for instance) and cheaper. Nuclear has this bad rep. (mainly because of Chernobyl) - so yes there is a small chance that a badly managed or maintained Nuclear Power Station could result in a disaster (which would perhaps have lengthy consequences locally). As far as workers, working on the site of a Nuclear Power Station will take a lot less of a toll on health, than spending hours down coals mines.
With regards the rainforests, I want to re-iterate a question I asked earlier but may have been missed since no one picked up on it. Should countries with significant rainforests be financially compensated by the rest of the world for leaving it undisturbed?
With regards the rainforests, I want to re-iterate a question I asked earlier but may have been missed since no one picked up on it. Should countries with significant rainforests be financially compensated by the rest of the world for leaving it undisturbed?
Probably, as otherwise it’s hard for other countries to have much effect on stopping rainforest from being cleared, let alone reversing the trend.
The sticky problem is that no government wants to send money to another government... especially if they are not keen on that particular government for political reasons.
On this issue (along with plenty more) you are correct in that governments must change their ways and actually cooperate with each other to implement policies that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to reduce plastic (and other contamination) getting into the environment.
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One thing someone mentioned elsewhere about plastic/ocean contamination although how much there is in this I don't know:
Lets say a container or other type of ship is in the middle of an ocean, no land for 100's miles etc , nothing around within visual range. Who is to know what they might be quietly dumping over the side (so to speak) ?
One thing someone mentioned elsewhere about plastic/ocean contamination although how much there is in this I don't know:
Lets say a container or other type of ship is in the middle of an ocean, no land for 100's miles etc , nothing around within visual range. Who is to know what they might be quietly dumping over the side (so to speak) ?
Flushing out fuel/oil/ballast tanks is not supposed to happen anymore if the water is or may be contaminated with oil, but it is suspected that this does still happen.
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Flushing out fuel/oil/ballast tanks is not supposed to happen anymore if the water is or may be contaminated with oil, but it is suspected that this does still happen.
That's an interesting point. You're quite likely right. :)
Let us be honest, if there's no one around within say 100 miles or so in any direction, who's to say what happens!
I was not actually thinking of that though... My thought was more along the lines of "lets empty a container or two of waste quietly out here" , or at least them throwing their own "collected garbage" stuff overboard... the latter could be a fair amount of stuff over time possibly too. The ship/boat might have only say a couple of containers of plastic/junk waste and the rest other things, I realise there's probably some inventory though, point still being "out there" they have a reasonably free range to pollute without question.
One thing someone mentioned elsewhere about plastic/ocean contamination although how much there is in this I don't know:
Lets say a container or other type of ship is in the middle of an ocean, no land for 100's miles etc , nothing around within visual range. Who is to know what they might be quietly dumping over the side (so to speak) ?
I don't think that individual ships (or even all the ships in the world) are as big a problem as the plastic waste coming out of large rivers, that is probably a lot simpler to control as well, and yet...
I don't think that individual ships (or even all the ships in the world) are as big a problem as the plastic waste coming out of large rivers, that is probably a lot simpler to control as well, and yet...
You mean those micro-plastic things ? Or the nano-type ones ? Were they not used in thins like washing powders ? I'm not sure.
I think he means all the plastic thrown away by humans, that end up in streams, drainage channels, surface water drains, all of which ends up in the rivers. Which then flow out to the oceans.
You don’t have go to too much effort before you find carrier bags, crisp packets, chocolate bar wrappers, soft drink or water plastic bottles plus all manner of other rubbish in streams, drainage channels, surface water drains, or rivers.
Plus despite efforts by councils and volunteers, the waves collect rubbish from beaches and other tidal areas.
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Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Flushing out fuel/oil/ballast tanks is not supposed to happen anymore if the water is or may be contaminated with oil, but it is suspected that this does still happen.
I seem to recall there's satellite monitoring starting to look for things like that now, so hopefully such misbehaviour will decrease.
Has anyone dared to ask one question: Perhaps there are just too many people ?
Well yes, of course!
I said that earlier in the thread.
And my prediction is that mankind will NOT be successful in the near future in striking the balance needed between population, consumption, diminishing resources, and not destroying the planet. That will only happen eventually by natural default - populations will decrease (i.e. die) when resources and habitat become insufficient - which is inevitable the way we're going.
It's a callous thing to say, but advances in medicine, standard of living and health are only making things worse! We're getting too good at keeping more and more people alive! e.g. Big advances are being made towards finding a way to stop malaria, the world's biggest premature killer (millions per year). When they succeed in that, what's going to happen?
We colonize Mars...
I take your comment to be in jest, but some people seriously think this goal worth pursuing - but it seems to me highly unlikely it could ever happen because of the length of time it would take to get there. I can't see there being any more than a small team of researchers ever setting foot there, and thats probably a long way off.
To be quite honest it was only half in jest, I believe it will happen at some point in the future, but I doubt that even our children's children will see it happen.
I think he means all the plastic thrown away by humans, that end up in streams, drainage channels, surface water drains, all of which ends up in the rivers. Which then flow out to the oceans.
You don’t have go to too much effort before you find carrier bags, crisp packets, chocolate bar wrappers, soft drink or water plastic bottles plus all manner of other rubbish in streams, drainage channels, surface water drains, or rivers.
Plus despite efforts by councils and volunteers, the waves collect rubbish from beaches and other tidal areas.
Mark
Its contries like Pakistan and India that are real threats as far as River polution goes. Look:
Bet the lorry came all the way from Surrey to fly tip that lot. Odd really they normally just stop of in the little lay-by near Oxshott.
In fact, a van was hanging around there today, the guy was looking a bit shady, at I bet a dollar her was waiting for the traffic to move on before throwing something out of his van. I could be wrong, but it times like this I wish I was built like Dwayne Johnson, so I could get out and shove that van right up his prison pocket....
One thing someone mentioned elsewhere about plastic/ocean contamination although how much there is in this I don't know:
Lets say a container or other type of ship is in the middle of an ocean, no land for 100's miles etc , nothing around within visual range. Who is to know what they might be quietly dumping over the side (so to speak) ?
I used to work for a shipping company and any ship caught doing this suffers serious repercussions. All waste from the kitchens, bilge bay, bathrooms etc has to be logged in great detail and ships empty waste into a controlled environment in port. Different waste types go through different processes while the ship is docked.
Any discrepancies lead to disciplinary action, heavy fines, dismissals and jail time.
A captain of a ship was jailed for 20 years for knowingly participating in this, and the shipping company were fined roughly $20 million. i worked on the Environment Waste module used on-board and in offices before I left.
I used to work for a shipping company and any ship caught doing this suffers serious repercussions. All waste from the kitchens, bilge bay, bathrooms etc has to be logged in great detail and ships empty waste into a controlled environment in port. Different waste types go through different processes while the ship is docked.
Any discrepancies lead to disciplinary action, heavy fines, dismissals and jail time.
A captain of a ship was jailed for 20 years for knowingly participating in this, and the shipping company were fined roughly $20 million. i worked on the Environment Waste module used on-board and in offices before I left.
Thanks. That is re-assuring to know. :)
20years :o , they obviously take it very seriously as in only a harsh punishment is enough to deter.
I must confess (and I don't want this to sound odd/racist/or anything as its not intended in that way *at all*) do this apply worldwide ? And are all countries/companies compliant ?
Something at the back of my mind (and I don't mean this to sound nasty at all towards anyone!) a low crewed vessel (containers etc) perhaps with the majority of the crew from third world countries, are possibly a bit less likely to be concerned with what is going on regarding regulations. Nothing racist meant by the above, most of the nearby neighbours around me are all from various parts of the world, and I mostly get along with all of them too!
Out of interest how is waste actually logged/counted ? I mean it cannot be that practical to say there's x gallons of fresh water on board etc.
I could be 100% completely out of my depth/context here I hope so too. :) The main primary reason for my first post on this was simply as if a ship/boat is say 100's miles from the nearest piece of land and there's nothing visually as far as the eye can see (or binoculars can see) then my thought was simply that 'who would know what they were doing' , that's all.
As I put it is reassuring to know there are some measures in place, although my (hopefully misplaced) thought is this is going to only really be 100% enforced for Western vessels and richer countries elsewhere, possibly 'mostly enforced' for other places.
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Erm, you don’t have to be anywhere as far as 100 miles away...
See Horizon...
[Well, unless you are a flat earther!]
Mark
The earth is not flat ? :o :D
Horizon you say ? Well I'm not sure:
On a real purposeful response:
100 miles was just a 'off the top of my head' figure, I'm not sure how far the horizon is and if it varies if you're "out in the middle of the ocean" or not, there is a tech reason for this as the earth is not quite a perfect 'spherical ball' is it not ? Its sort of squished a bit in the middle, or expanded - I forget which. :)
I could of probably said 50 miles or 200 miles I suppose. :)
Its been reported in the past that some of UK waste is sent overseas to be recycled, apparently we don't have the infastructure to recycle our own plastic. I don't know if this is still the case. But if we don't have the facilities how do we expect somewhere like bangladesh to have them. And if Bandgaldesh does have facilities for recycling surely we should have them too?
Its been reported in the past that some of UK waste is sent overseas to be recycled, apparently we don't have the infastructure to recycle our own plastic. I don't know if this is still the case. But if we don't have the facilities how do we expect somewhere like bangladesh to have them. And if Bandgaldesh does have facilities for recycling surely we should have them too?
I could be totally incorrect here and I hope I am (and someone can correct, have headache at moment so not really up for 'research') but I have a vague suspicion the 'recovery process' that is done over there would not be permitted here or in the EU due to the chemicals or processes involved and/or environmental damage. Think it involves much use of unpleasant alkaline's and/or acid's based chemicals etc. This is more a case where the plastics contain other things perhaps, such as metals and or things like PCB 'recycling' perhaps.
We should really as you say have all the "stuff here" to deal with it, in a safe as possible way too.
I used to work for a shipping company and any ship caught doing this suffers serious repercussions. All waste from the kitchens, bilge bay, bathrooms etc has to be logged in great detail and ships empty waste into a controlled environment in port. Different waste types go through different processes while the ship is docked.
Any discrepancies lead to disciplinary action, heavy fines, dismissals and jail time.
A captain of a ship was jailed for 20 years for knowingly participating in this, and the shipping company were fined roughly $20 million. i worked on the Environment Waste module used on-board and in offices before I left.
Thanks. That is re-assuring to know. :)
20years :o , they obviously take it very seriously as in only a harsh punishment is enough to deter.
I must confess (and I don't want this to sound odd/racist/or anything as its not intended in that way *at all*) do this apply worldwide ? And are all countries/companies compliant ?
Something at the back of my mind (and I don't mean this to sound nasty at all towards anyone!) a low crewed vessel (containers etc) perhaps with the majority of the crew from third world countries, are possibly a bit less likely to be concerned with what is going on regarding regulations. Nothing racist meant by the above, most of the nearby neighbours around me are all from various parts of the world, and I mostly get along with all of them too!
Out of interest how is waste actually logged/counted ? I mean it cannot be that practical to say there's x gallons of fresh water on board etc.
I could be 100% completely out of my depth/context here I hope so too. :) The main primary reason for my first post on this was simply as if a ship/boat is say 100's miles from the nearest piece of land and there's nothing visually as far as the eye can see (or binoculars can see) then my thought was simply that 'who would know what they were doing' , that's all.
As I put it is reassuring to know there are some measures in place, although my (hopefully misplaced) thought is this is going to only really be 100% enforced for Western vessels and richer countries elsewhere, possibly 'mostly enforced' for other places.
In basic terms the amount of 'stuff' is logged prior to the ship leaving port. As 'stuff' is used up and disposed whilst at sea it is all meticulously logged as they go. It's logged on paper and on the system, so both the hard copy and what is stored on the computer has to match up. When they arrive at the destination the port then checks the log book against what is left prior to it being put through the correct disposal / waste collection process. I think there's a marginal allowance for error but that may vary for ship type (Cruise ship, cargo carrier, trawler etc)
For each department of the ship, the head there takes responsibility of the waste produced by their department, which is then all collated by the ships second in command before being verified by the captain. As far as I know this is enforced worldwide, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
One of the main culprits used to be kitchen waste. Used cooking oil and left over food was often just thrown over the side (I'm going back a long time here) and as you can imagine, the kitchens produce some of the largest amounts of waste/by-products on a journey.
There are different tanks in port that a ship uses to put different waste types into, and it's all logged by type. The logistics of it are massive. What happens to the waste I'm not sure 100%. Some is incinerated and some is recycled.
I admit I don't know what goes into plastic recycling, I'd like to understand the process better like what happens to plastic bottles, are they just washed out and put back into use or something else happen.
In the past most of our milk was supplied in either cardboard cartons, or in glass bottles, which if you got them from a milkman, you could leave them again on your doorstep to be taken back and washed thoroughly and reused a number of times, I wonder why did this stop? I know some people complained about birds gets there first and pecking the tops off, but there were bottle covers. Milk in the supermarket was sold in cardboard cartons, then gradually all that stopped, I can't remember what the reasons were at the time - maybe someone will remember. Was it just because of ease of opening - people found cartons difficult to open. I suspect the supermarkets put the milkman out of business? Pure orange comes in cartons that have a plastic screw on top - wonder why those were not used for milk? Or why could milk not simple be delivered in a glass bottle with a screw on plastic top, instead of a foil top?
There are different tanks in port that a ship uses to put different waste types into, and it's all logged by type. The logistics of it are massive. What happens to the waste I'm not sure 100%. Some is incinerated and some is recycled.
Ships are big dirty b@stards :-)
Trimmed the quote down substantially but just wanted to say "thanks" for explaining it. :)
Its been reported in the past that some of UK waste is sent overseas to be recycled, apparently we don't have the infastructure to recycle our own plastic. I don't know if this is still the case. But if we don't have the facilities how do we expect somewhere like bangladesh to have them. And if Bandgaldesh does have facilities for recycling surely we should have them too?
I could be totally incorrect here and I hope I am (and someone can correct, have headache at moment so not really up for 'research') but I have a vague suspicion the 'recovery process' that is done over there would not be permitted here or in the EU due to the chemicals or processes involved and/or environmental damage. Think it involves much use of unpleasant alkaline's and/or acid's based chemicals etc. This is more a case where the plastics contain other things perhaps, such as metals and or things like PCB 'recycling' perhaps.
We should really as you say have all the "stuff here" to deal with it, in a safe as possible way too.
I don't know if you are incorrect, but I heard something like that said too years ago.
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I hope these envirnomentalists realise that people need to live, and not everyone is eating a lot of meat - or red meat. I tend to eat chicken mostly (I suppose thats still ok - or will we be told chicken **** is a major contributor to global warming next ? ), and for a while I was eating bacon, but I can't remember the last time I had a steak, or even mince - my diet isn't very good and I don't feel like I give a **** anymore about anything (been like that for quite a few years)
I hope these envirnomentalists realise that people need to live, and not everyone is eating a lot of meat - or red meat. I tend to eat chicken mostly (I suppose thats still ok - or will we be told chicken **** is a major contributor to global warming next ? ), and for a while I was eating bacon, but I can't remember the last time I had a steak, or even mince - my diet isn't very good and I don't feel like I give a **** anymore about anything (been like that for quite a few years)
Oh, it seems you are worried about the wrong things.
Look, if you just want a good diet for the environment, then you should just stop eating, at all. :)
If you want to eat vegan, I'd suggest a meal of Oreos and Chips/French Fries. :) Or Corn and Tomatoes, since these are usually imported from afar.
But if I were you, I'd just go for a healthy balanced diet instead. And Eggs and Red Meat is healthy enough, too (surprisingly), especially if you're going to replace them with even more unhealthy or processed food.
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Yes I agree its about giving people knowledge to make their choices. But the really big choices are for industry and government - how energy is produced etc, and more efficient use. As I said earlier there seems to be (at present) no perfect solution, some things are more polluting than others, or generate more greenhouse gases, everything has some cost in terms of the environment. If all options are ruled out because of enviromental concerns nothing changes. So for instance people are afraid of and governments seem to hold back from moving more energy generation to Nuclear Power stations (Germany is phasing out its current reactors) and other countries are not building more. Yet apparently its cleaner (compared to coal for instance) and cheaper. Nuclear has this bad rep. (mainly because of Chernobyl) - so yes there is a small chance that a badly managed or maintained Nuclear Power Station could result in a disaster (which would perhaps have lengthy consequences locally). As far as workers, working on the site of a Nuclear Power Station will take a lot less of a toll on health, than spending hours down coals mines.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/nuclear-power-option-ireland-1501075-Jun2014/
With regards the rainforests, I want to re-iterate a question I asked earlier but may have been missed since no one picked up on it. Should countries with significant rainforests be financially compensated by the rest of the world for leaving it undisturbed?
The sticky problem is that no government wants to send money to another government... especially if they are not keen on that particular government for political reasons.
On this issue (along with plenty more) you are correct in that governments must change their ways and actually cooperate with each other to implement policies that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to reduce plastic (and other contamination) getting into the environment.
Mark
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Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Lets say a container or other type of ship is in the middle of an ocean, no land for 100's miles etc , nothing around within visual range. Who is to know what they might be quietly dumping over the side (so to speak) ?
Mark
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Let us be honest, if there's no one around within say 100 miles or so in any direction, who's to say what happens!
I was not actually thinking of that though... My thought was more along the lines of "lets empty a container or two of waste quietly out here" , or at least them throwing their own "collected garbage" stuff overboard... the latter could be a fair amount of stuff over time possibly too. The ship/boat might have only say a couple of containers of plastic/junk waste and the rest other things, I realise there's probably some inventory though, point still being "out there" they have a reasonably free range to pollute without question.
You don’t have go to too much effort before you find carrier bags, crisp packets, chocolate bar wrappers, soft drink or water plastic bottles plus all manner of other rubbish in streams, drainage channels, surface water drains, or rivers.
Plus despite efforts by councils and volunteers, the waves collect rubbish from beaches and other tidal areas.
Mark
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WoS - can't download? Info here...
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Its contries like Pakistan and India that are real threats as far as River polution goes. Look:
https://www.samaa.tv/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Plastic-Bag3.jpg
https://en.prothomalo.com/contents/cache/images/643x0x1/uploads/media/2017/03/06/47a4ac68da45f88700dd05589e0a1e9b-Pakistan.jpg
In fact, a van was hanging around there today, the guy was looking a bit shady, at I bet a dollar her was waiting for the traffic to move on before throwing something out of his van. I could be wrong, but it times like this I wish I was built like Dwayne Johnson, so I could get out and shove that van right up his prison pocket....
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I used to work for a shipping company and any ship caught doing this suffers serious repercussions. All waste from the kitchens, bilge bay, bathrooms etc has to be logged in great detail and ships empty waste into a controlled environment in port. Different waste types go through different processes while the ship is docked.
Any discrepancies lead to disciplinary action, heavy fines, dismissals and jail time.
A captain of a ship was jailed for 20 years for knowingly participating in this, and the shipping company were fined roughly $20 million. i worked on the Environment Waste module used on-board and in offices before I left.
Thanks. That is re-assuring to know. :)
20years :o , they obviously take it very seriously as in only a harsh punishment is enough to deter.
I must confess (and I don't want this to sound odd/racist/or anything as its not intended in that way *at all*) do this apply worldwide ? And are all countries/companies compliant ?
Something at the back of my mind (and I don't mean this to sound nasty at all towards anyone!) a low crewed vessel (containers etc) perhaps with the majority of the crew from third world countries, are possibly a bit less likely to be concerned with what is going on regarding regulations. Nothing racist meant by the above, most of the nearby neighbours around me are all from various parts of the world, and I mostly get along with all of them too!
Out of interest how is waste actually logged/counted ? I mean it cannot be that practical to say there's x gallons of fresh water on board etc.
I could be 100% completely out of my depth/context here I hope so too. :) The main primary reason for my first post on this was simply as if a ship/boat is say 100's miles from the nearest piece of land and there's nothing visually as far as the eye can see (or binoculars can see) then my thought was simply that 'who would know what they were doing' , that's all.
As I put it is reassuring to know there are some measures in place, although my (hopefully misplaced) thought is this is going to only really be 100% enforced for Western vessels and richer countries elsewhere, possibly 'mostly enforced' for other places.
See Horizon...
[Well, unless you are a flat earther!]
Mark
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
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! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
[Well, unless you are a flat earther!]
;)
The earth is not flat ? :o :D
Horizon you say ? Well I'm not sure:
On a real purposeful response:
100 miles was just a 'off the top of my head' figure, I'm not sure how far the horizon is and if it varies if you're "out in the middle of the ocean" or not, there is a tech reason for this as the earth is not quite a perfect 'spherical ball' is it not ? Its sort of squished a bit in the middle, or expanded - I forget which. :)
I could of probably said 50 miles or 200 miles I suppose. :)
We should really as you say have all the "stuff here" to deal with it, in a safe as possible way too.
In basic terms the amount of 'stuff' is logged prior to the ship leaving port. As 'stuff' is used up and disposed whilst at sea it is all meticulously logged as they go. It's logged on paper and on the system, so both the hard copy and what is stored on the computer has to match up. When they arrive at the destination the port then checks the log book against what is left prior to it being put through the correct disposal / waste collection process. I think there's a marginal allowance for error but that may vary for ship type (Cruise ship, cargo carrier, trawler etc)
For each department of the ship, the head there takes responsibility of the waste produced by their department, which is then all collated by the ships second in command before being verified by the captain. As far as I know this is enforced worldwide, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
One of the main culprits used to be kitchen waste. Used cooking oil and left over food was often just thrown over the side (I'm going back a long time here) and as you can imagine, the kitchens produce some of the largest amounts of waste/by-products on a journey.
There are different tanks in port that a ship uses to put different waste types into, and it's all logged by type. The logistics of it are massive. What happens to the waste I'm not sure 100%. Some is incinerated and some is recycled.
Ships are big dirty b@stards :-)
In the past most of our milk was supplied in either cardboard cartons, or in glass bottles, which if you got them from a milkman, you could leave them again on your doorstep to be taken back and washed thoroughly and reused a number of times, I wonder why did this stop? I know some people complained about birds gets there first and pecking the tops off, but there were bottle covers. Milk in the supermarket was sold in cardboard cartons, then gradually all that stopped, I can't remember what the reasons were at the time - maybe someone will remember. Was it just because of ease of opening - people found cartons difficult to open. I suspect the supermarkets put the milkman out of business? Pure orange comes in cartons that have a plastic screw on top - wonder why those were not used for milk? Or why could milk not simple be delivered in a glass bottle with a screw on plastic top, instead of a foil top?
I don't know if you are incorrect, but I heard something like that said too years ago.
Mark
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
https://news.un.org/en/story/2006/11/201222-rearing-cattle-produces-more-greenhouse-gases-driving-cars-un-report-warns
Oh, it seems you are worried about the wrong things.
Look, if you just want a good diet for the environment, then you should just stop eating, at all. :)
If you want to eat vegan, I'd suggest a meal of Oreos and Chips/French Fries. :) Or Corn and Tomatoes, since these are usually imported from afar.
But if I were you, I'd just go for a healthy balanced diet instead. And Eggs and Red Meat is healthy enough, too (surprisingly), especially if you're going to replace them with even more unhealthy or processed food.
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