With in some cases the disease COVID-19 undoubtedly does cause complications. I read that cause of death in some cases must be given with Primary, secondary, and sometimes even tertiary causation listed.
But say someone had already been in hospital following a serious car accident, in which they had suffered a broken neck and serious head injuries. Lets say despite efforts of the medical team to help him he did not improve, then one hour before he died he also picked up this new coronavirus. He then died, before the coronavirus had produced any symptoms, such as cough or fever. In epidemilogy a distinction is made between an infection and a disease. There was not time for the virus to develop into COVID-19, if he picked up the virus one hour before he died, therefore he did not die from COVID-19 or in this hypothetical example even from complications resulting from that, if he was an hour away from dying. You see? An infection takes time to become a disease which causes complications - maybe several days before symptoms appear - and its not a disease until there are clinical symptoms. So while he had the coronavirus present in his system at time of death, he did not die from complications resulting from COVID-19 which is the disease not the virus.
Right, really really tired of bullsh1t comments about fake virus and conspiracy theories.
Just found out that a guy I worked with for almost 10 years and a friend for a lot longer has died of the Coronavirus, he had no underlying conditions and was in his mid 50's.
He's being cremated tomorrow with no mourners allowed.
This sh|t is real.
My sincerest condolences Mr C. Raise a glass to him and remember all the times you shared both good and bad and smile just a little at those recollections.
I too am getting a little tired of the **** stirrers and their crackpot theories and for the first time in my life I am genuinely afraid.
Not so much for myself as for my wife who is seventy and medically high risk. When we married part of the vows I took were to keep her in sickness and in health which I have managed to do over the years but now for the first time I'm so bloody helpless and should she be unfortunate enough to be struck down the best I will be able for her is to stand behind a pane of glass looking helplessly on as so many others have had to do unable to comfort the ones they love.
To all the decent fair minded normal human beings here I send all my hopes and best wishes to you and those you love, especially those still having to work away from home, as for the others go f@$k yourselves,and if that offends you tough I make no apologies.
My one and only post on the matter.
Take care lads.
Fred(Moggy)
You probably heard it said before, but best to day each day at a time, and not meet problems half-way. Its easy said, but myself have not been too well and just wondering should I be getting a bag packed for the hospital just in case. I'd rather just deal with it at home if possible. But no harm I suppose in having a towel and tooth paste and underwear and what not ready. You could always make a few preparations (maybe you have) just to reduce stress of having to think of stuff all at once in event of her needing to go into hospital. Often its not necessarily being able to do something, but just being present with them that matters if someone is unwell. Hope you and your wife are not affected though. Take care.
No chance. The work is closed and no access allowed. I'm working from home.
I'd guess it was this one, which was doing the rounds on social media at the time:
Yeah, very detailed, because they show to wet your hands first and then add soap, then at the end dry hands and turn off tap :-)) Gee I thought we were meant to use sandpaper! :-/ Germs do tend to congregate inbetween first finger and thumb and inbetween figures, so that needs to be shown - i'd only have a problem with it if someone stood beside me checking i'd followed each step. The chart designers are covering all their bases basically - and I can kind of understand why.
There is a Catholic style one too I seen doing a search - exactly the same twelve steps but each are described using lines from prayers and the Hail Mary. I liked the one at the end when you turn off the tap "As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be."
Not sure if there is an AA twelve step handwashing chart yet?
Right, really really tired of bullsh1t comments about fake virus and conspiracy theories.
Just found out that a guy I worked with for almost 10 years and a friend for a lot longer has died of the Coronavirus, he had no underlying conditions and was in his mid 50's.
He's being cremated tomorrow with no mourners allowed.
Very sorry to hear about your friend.
That is what bothers me most about all this, the no mourners thing.
That's awful Ritchard. It is real, lets face it the PM was in intensive care. The only good that can come out of that is that for Borris now its personal. Also, the NHS looked after him well so any Tory dreams of a US style private healthcare for all should be tamped down quite a bit.
I also want to echo your options on this Conspiracy stuff. Ok sure if credible science sources are finding out new facts discuss it and link to it, but all this tin foil just pulled it out my but style conspiracy theories need to stop. If they do not I will take action.
More than the Corona-Virus I think people are being killed by stupidity. In Manchester police broke up 660 parties.
Even when I went to Walmart, just watching the idiots all cramming themselves into the isles, breathing down each others necks, thinking a cloth face (nose and mouth) mask is going to make them invincible, and some people did not even have that but continued to cram in so they could get their crisps, cornflakes and tins of baked beans. I ended up going home and not dong a full shop, not though lack of stock but though a lack of common sense and self awareness in others. I was wearing an N95 mask from when I did the decorating last summer ( I didn't want dusty polyfiller in my lungs), but even that is not going to protect me from some knuckle scraping wheezing idiot who insists on leaning on everything whilst he shops and purchases his stuff.
Yup in my eyes this whole situation truly shows some peoples complete lack of concern for others, and also their complete mentality of "It'll never happen to me" Yup it may not, but sh*t at least try to make it not happen at least a little bit...like please, that Colombian Coffee flavoured Ice Cream will still be there in 5 minutes time you selfish old c*nt!
There are lots of people volunteering to go back to the NHS to help, or helping to distribute food, medicine or other supplies to people who are at high risk (shielding) or who are unable to shop for themselves. Some bus and coach company staff are helping by driving transport ambulances (not 999 ambulances) to move patients around.
You also have key workers, some of which are not exactly paid big money for the work that they do, that are keeping the country running, who are risking going to work, including but not limited to NHS staff including nurses, doctors, drivers, cleaners and porters, care home staff, plus bus drivers, railway staff, tube staff, truck drivers, distribution workers, postal workers, parcel and delivery company workers, grocery, supermarket and other shop workers, civil servants (handling benefit claims as well as running governments and councils), firefighters, and power station workers. [ I apologise in advance, because I am bound to have left out various other groups of essential or other key workers].
Also radio and TV staff, plus news reporters (and all associated behind the scenes staff) who are helping to keep us informed and entertained.
Now compare this to all the selfish idiots that despite extensive media coverage, panic buy and hoard food and supplies, who travel unnecessarily, who crowd together, who think that the restrictions don’t apply to them. Or who spread fake news, misleading information or dismiss this pandemic as being fiction, or who dismiss this COVID19 Corona virus as not being a serious medical problem.
I’m currently self isolating because it’s possible that a family member may have had COVID19 Corona virus (that was worrying enough). But the fourteen days is NOTHING compared to the TWELVE WEEKS that people who should shield themselves will have to endure (people with existing medical conditions, the old and frail). And when you have a family member that fits into one of these groups, that means you (including me) have to extra careful to not get infected yourself, or to bring the virus home with you and unintentionally infect said family member (which is exactly the situation I’m in).
It all really brings home what is important in life.
For those that don’t get it, people (including family and friends) are important, not greed, money and delusions of power.
If only these selfish people would actually THINK OF OTHERS before acting only in their own self interest.
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Yup in my eyes this whole situation truly shows some peoples complete lack of concern for others, and also their complete mentality of "It'll never happen to me" Yup it may not, but sh*t at least try to make it not happen at least a little bit...like please, that Colombian Coffee flavoured Ice Cream will still be there in 5 minutes time you selfish old c*nt!
I agree with you there Boozy, except maybe you can console yourself by remembering it is only a certain amount of people that are like this. I'd like to believe a bigger group are the ones who are trying their best to do the correct thing and follow the advise of the professionals.
My county has 2 corona virus cases only because when the lock down was about to come in to effect in other places, the residents escaped to their second home in the mountains bringing the virus with them. It seems humans are as weak as our most selfish are smart and selfless ones.
I like this man's way of enforcing social distancing. I might add to that spikes on the ends.
Guys, wasn’t it somebody else who wanted to edit or delete his posts? Nevermind.
Considering far- reaching consequences of the announced cov id-2019 pandemic with 2.2-5.7% mortality and panic, I can’t help thinking about global reasons to unprecedentedly risk the future and welfare of the remaining 94.3-97.8% of humanity. Meanwhile, it seems the virus is more economical and political for many isolated households around the globe are running out of their savings and resources. The fear is more contagious than a virus. Hopefully, after the quarantine, billions of hungry masked people with very clean hands and nothing to lose will find their way to recover from it quickly. But who benefits?
As for terror, being the fifth largest city of China and a huge transportation hub, Wuhan may seem a weak spot for a bio-weapon, yet the deadly virus had to have more than 45% death rate at least initially, which is not the case.
While I take everything with a grain of salt as a mere opinion, including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic , I’d like to specify the holding one's breath exercise (for at least 10 seconds after exhaling and at least 60 seconds after inhaling) is an effective self-test for the lung, cardiac, and mental fitness, counting the stress and fatigue level. It may indicate some health issues indirectly, nothing special though.
Since the lockdown i've put a little bit of weight on and a lack of fresh air is making sleep difficult.
Healthy eating has went to pot as there is a lack of fresh produce here so having to eat mostly frozen ****,
Those radio and tv pundits are they really any more aware of what is going on than the viewer sometimes? Some of them like to try and predict what is going to happen, they are never questioned again if it doesn't happen. Anyone working in the NHS knows more about what is happening than they do, but even then as is often the case being too close to something doesn't allow one to form a balanced picture. When the news reports only visit hospitals that are stretched the the limits and suggest its the same everywhere, and ignore those that are only slightly stretched, then they are misrepresenting the reality of things.
Guys, wasn’t it somebody else who wanted to edit or delete his posts? Nevermind.
Considering far- reaching consequences of the announced cov id-2019 pandemic with 2.2-5.7% mortality and panic, I can’t help thinking about global reasons to unprecedentedly risk the future and welfare of the remaining 94.3-97.8% of humanity. Meanwhile, it seems the virus is more economical and political for many isolated households around the globe are running out of their savings and resources. The fear is more contagious than a virus. Hopefully, after the quarantine, billions of hungry masked people with very clean hands and nothing to lose will find their way to recover from it quickly. But who benefits?
As for terror, being the fifth largest city of China and a huge transportation hub, Wuhan may seem a weak spot for a bio-weapon, yet the deadly virus had to have more than 45% death rate at least initially, which is not the case.
While I take everything with a grain of salt as a mere opinion, including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic , I’d like to specify the holding one's breath exercise (for at least 10 seconds after exhaling and at least 60 seconds after inhaling) is an effective self-test for the lung, cardiac, and mental fitness, counting the stress and fatigue level. It may indicate some health issues indirectly, nothing special though.
Take care.
A lot of it is not even opinion, let alone educated opinion,
There is too much speculation at the moment
Some things are not opinion (and there can be informed opinion, or educated opinion as well as just opinions which everyone has) There is such a thing as hard facts and evidence, people also may reason soundly (make sense of things) or unsoundly due to a tendency towards paranoia or hysteria. Without some hard fact and evidence no one can form an informed opinion.
My county has 2 corona virus cases only because when the lock down was about to come in to effect in other places, the residents escaped to their second home in the mountains bringing the virus with them. It seems humans are as weak as our most selfish are smart and selfless ones.
I like this man's way of enforcing social distancing. I might add to that spikes on the ends.
Brillant picture, just the sliding doors to navigate and he's outa there.
Just been shopping this morning. It's interesting how everyone maintains their distance while queueing up to go in but as soon as they get inside it all goes out the window! Everyone rushing about, ignoring the one way arrows and the 2 meter markers.
To my mind, everything from a man is already biased; thus but an opinion. The same goes about an observed fact without understanding--just an opinion too.
However, the point is they far too often use an AI (artificial intelligent) as an excuse, but I'd like to know the very man responsiblefor the prognosis and the order to halt the economics, so he or she could nicely explain us the compelling reasons. It can't be true that one neither cares, nor bears the responsibility for such a global mess and consequences, can it?
As for physical distancing, lately a friend of mine changed his mind to volunteer and bring some food and necessities gratis to ungrateful social distancing people, because rather many "needy" consider volunteers obliged and servile, not to mention cheaters. Their attitudes and relations will hardly change for better after the quarantine, alas.
I got shouted at by an employee in Tesco a few days ago for standing too close to him, it was a simple lapse of concentration, it wasn't deliberate. The way he spoke to me he was lucky he didn't get punched but that wouldn't have helped much, he looked barely old enough to shave plus it's a handy shop i use a lot so i just stepped back and muttered an apology.
Just been shopping this morning. It's interesting how everyone maintains their distance while queueing up to go in but as soon as they get inside it all goes out the window! Everyone rushing about, ignoring the one way arrows and the 2 meter markers.
Yeah, this really peeved me off the last time I visited the Supermarket. Most of the shoppers adhered to the one way system and direction arrows but there were a few that wandered round oblivious. A couple of them walked past me within arms reach. I did the British mutter-under-my-breath but I really wanted to scream in their faces "Have you been living on Mars for the last month!?".
Also the aisles were being restocked and very few of the staff had protective gear on. This made it awkward when I had to pass as I had no choice but to walk past close to them. Can't the supermarkets restock when they're closed? :-?
To my mind, everything from a man is already biased; thus but an opinion.
Its true,to be human is to be biassed (largely). Everything you have said has been biassed towards the notion there is some big and nasty overarching plan, from a small set of global elite.
I am more biassed towards the notion that all of this is not causes by malice, but incompetence and inaction.
Here is my bias. Our countries, politicians and wider civil services like to act like they have all the answers and a all powerful, all seeing, but when it comes down to it, most countries are just optimistically winging it, just like each and every one of us. We are all trying to give others the impression we are successful, powerful, wealthy, planned and rational but really we are just making it up as we go along because 21st century life has gotten so complex, so chaotic, that often spending a lot of time planning for every eventuality is not possible or cost effective. So we have become reactive as a race and optimistic short term planning is what we excel at and its what our government is doing to get us though this crisis. No doubt our techniques and preparedness for such a situation will evolve and when the next even more serious crisis happens we will wing it again because there will be too many unknowns.
That is the one issue I have with conspiracy theorists, they assume governments are like IBMs deep blue, that is for every decision, they have worked out the consequences, and the consequences for every decision after that in order, three or four levels deep (a weighted decision tree, like chess algorithms have) to be the most manipulative. I honestly do not think civilizations and governments are that smart, they just pretend they are.
To my mind, everything from a man is already biased; thus but an opinion. The same goes about an observed fact without understanding--just an opinion too.
However, the point is they far too often use an AI (artificial intelligent) as an excuse, but I'd like to know the very man responsiblefor the prognosis and the order to halt the economics, so he or she could nicely explain us the compelling reasons. It can't be true that one neither cares, nor bears the responsibility for such a global mess and consequences, can it?
To pick up a couple of your comments and reply.
I think the problem is that many politicians live too much in fear of the MSM. Some news reports such as one on SKY NEWS from an Italian hospital that I linked to further up the thread attempted to be 'prognostic' (but not on the basis of any expert knowledge which would have to comprehend age demographics and air polution level amongst things in other countries) of what would happen in other countries, and the correspondent nearly feeds words to one of the people he was interviewing. These clips are edited and some of the footage undoubtedly hits the cutting room floor and other snippets get 'pasted' together into a TV news article. Decisions are taken about what to include and what to leave out. What is the ethos or reporting philosophy that guides such decisions? - to me it should be to present a balanced coverage - so if you show one hospital which is busy and staff stretched, you need to actually find out if that is the case in most hospitals or only a few - and not leave the impression with the viewer that is the way things are across the board. So if they show people in intensive care they need to show people in recovery also. I don't think the news report I am talking about here did that and the result was seriously unbalanced coverage.
The decisions to halt economic activity are taken a national level. And some countries, for example Sweden have allowed economic activity to continue while trusting its citizens to social distance. I think that is a better approach up to a point. Reducing numbers going to school down to say 10% for skeleton staffing and pupil numbers for maybe three weeks would be another good idea to implement early, while letting as much economic life continue. But the WHO was talking a lot about countries waiting too long to act, and that was in some instances the case - we had about a month to prepare for this. If we had not been thinking "oh that will just affect China" we'd have been more on the ball - do we even know for sure the virus that leads to COVID-19 hasn't been around for a good while longer - how much longer is the interesting question, but there is no point speculating just now. But the severity of COVID-19 in individual cases is dependent on multiple factors - one being a person's health profile when they catch the virus, another is how long before its treated, and a third what level of healthcare is available to each person.
To my mind, everything from a man is already biased; thus but an opinion.
Its true,to be human is to be biassed (largely). Everything you have said has been biassed towards the notion there is some big and nasty overarching plan, from a small set of global elite.
I am more biassed towards the notion that all of this is not causes by malice, but incompetence and inaction.
Here is my bias. Our countries, politicians and wider civil services like to act like they have all the answers and a all powerful, all seeing, but when it comes down to it, most countries are just optimistically winging it, just like each and every one of us. We are all trying to give others the impression we are successful, powerful, wealthy, planned and rational but really we are just making it up as we go along because 21st century life has gotten so complex, so chaotic, that often spending a lot of time planning for every eventuality is not possible or cost effective. So we have become reactive as a race and optimistic short term planning is what we excel at and its what our government is doing to get us though this crisis. No doubt our techniques and preparedness for such a situation will evolve and when the next even more serious crisis happens we will wing it again because there will be too many unknowns.
I think you are mostly correct. I don't know about every country, but in the UK - what we may be facing is a crisis of inexperience - we have a cabinet selected mainly for obedience, not experience. If anything good comes out of Boris catching this it will be that he sees the need for the UK to be much better prepared for this sort of thing ever happening again - and that will mean a right methodology for tackling any future epidemic - which would require adequate testing capacity - and that preferably through NHS labs rather than mostly outsourced to commercial labs, randomised testing to be implemented as early as possible - keeping economic activity going as long as possible...and slowing / interupting the spread of any virus in the school system first as early as possible.
Even if a epidemic came only once every ten years we simply could not sustain levels of healthcare adequately for each one if we respond to it with a lockdown each time. Lockdowns cannot become the norm for dealing with this sort of event - there are better ways and they must be found and implemented.
Can someone tell me whether the NHS have a division that manufactures its own PPE - face masks, nursing garbs, protective capes etc. or is this all outsourced in the UK?
If they don't already would it not make sense for the NHS to basically produce all its PPE in-house, cut out the middle man?
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With in some cases the disease COVID-19 undoubtedly does cause complications. I read that cause of death in some cases must be given with Primary, secondary, and sometimes even tertiary causation listed.
But say someone had already been in hospital following a serious car accident, in which they had suffered a broken neck and serious head injuries. Lets say despite efforts of the medical team to help him he did not improve, then one hour before he died he also picked up this new coronavirus. He then died, before the coronavirus had produced any symptoms, such as cough or fever. In epidemilogy a distinction is made between an infection and a disease. There was not time for the virus to develop into COVID-19, if he picked up the virus one hour before he died, therefore he did not die from COVID-19 or in this hypothetical example even from complications resulting from that, if he was an hour away from dying. You see? An infection takes time to become a disease which causes complications - maybe several days before symptoms appear - and its not a disease until there are clinical symptoms. So while he had the coronavirus present in his system at time of death, he did not die from complications resulting from COVID-19 which is the disease not the virus.
You probably heard it said before, but best to day each day at a time, and not meet problems half-way. Its easy said, but myself have not been too well and just wondering should I be getting a bag packed for the hospital just in case. I'd rather just deal with it at home if possible. But no harm I suppose in having a towel and tooth paste and underwear and what not ready. You could always make a few preparations (maybe you have) just to reduce stress of having to think of stuff all at once in event of her needing to go into hospital. Often its not necessarily being able to do something, but just being present with them that matters if someone is unwell. Hope you and your wife are not affected though. Take care.
Yeah, very detailed, because they show to wet your hands first and then add soap, then at the end dry hands and turn off tap :-)) Gee I thought we were meant to use sandpaper! :-/ Germs do tend to congregate inbetween first finger and thumb and inbetween figures, so that needs to be shown - i'd only have a problem with it if someone stood beside me checking i'd followed each step. The chart designers are covering all their bases basically - and I can kind of understand why.
There is a Catholic style one too I seen doing a search - exactly the same twelve steps but each are described using lines from prayers and the Hail Mary. I liked the one at the end when you turn off the tap "As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be."
Not sure if there is an AA twelve step handwashing chart yet?
Very sorry to hear about your friend.
That is what bothers me most about all this, the no mourners thing.
I also want to echo your options on this Conspiracy stuff. Ok sure if credible science sources are finding out new facts discuss it and link to it, but all this tin foil just pulled it out my but style conspiracy theories need to stop. If they do not I will take action.
Even when I went to Walmart, just watching the idiots all cramming themselves into the isles, breathing down each others necks, thinking a cloth face (nose and mouth) mask is going to make them invincible, and some people did not even have that but continued to cram in so they could get their crisps, cornflakes and tins of baked beans. I ended up going home and not dong a full shop, not though lack of stock but though a lack of common sense and self awareness in others. I was wearing an N95 mask from when I did the decorating last summer ( I didn't want dusty polyfiller in my lungs), but even that is not going to protect me from some knuckle scraping wheezing idiot who insists on leaning on everything whilst he shops and purchases his stuff.
There are lots of people volunteering to go back to the NHS to help, or helping to distribute food, medicine or other supplies to people who are at high risk (shielding) or who are unable to shop for themselves. Some bus and coach company staff are helping by driving transport ambulances (not 999 ambulances) to move patients around.
You also have key workers, some of which are not exactly paid big money for the work that they do, that are keeping the country running, who are risking going to work, including but not limited to NHS staff including nurses, doctors, drivers, cleaners and porters, care home staff, plus bus drivers, railway staff, tube staff, truck drivers, distribution workers, postal workers, parcel and delivery company workers, grocery, supermarket and other shop workers, civil servants (handling benefit claims as well as running governments and councils), firefighters, and power station workers. [ I apologise in advance, because I am bound to have left out various other groups of essential or other key workers].
Also radio and TV staff, plus news reporters (and all associated behind the scenes staff) who are helping to keep us informed and entertained.
Now compare this to all the selfish idiots that despite extensive media coverage, panic buy and hoard food and supplies, who travel unnecessarily, who crowd together, who think that the restrictions don’t apply to them. Or who spread fake news, misleading information or dismiss this pandemic as being fiction, or who dismiss this COVID19 Corona virus as not being a serious medical problem.
I’m currently self isolating because it’s possible that a family member may have had COVID19 Corona virus (that was worrying enough). But the fourteen days is NOTHING compared to the TWELVE WEEKS that people who should shield themselves will have to endure (people with existing medical conditions, the old and frail). And when you have a family member that fits into one of these groups, that means you (including me) have to extra careful to not get infected yourself, or to bring the virus home with you and unintentionally infect said family member (which is exactly the situation I’m in).
It all really brings home what is important in life.
For those that don’t get it, people (including family and friends) are important, not greed, money and delusions of power.
If only these selfish people would actually THINK OF OTHERS before acting only in their own self interest.
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I agree with you there Boozy, except maybe you can console yourself by remembering it is only a certain amount of people that are like this. I'd like to believe a bigger group are the ones who are trying their best to do the correct thing and follow the advise of the professionals.
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I like this man's way of enforcing social distancing. I might add to that spikes on the ends.
Considering far- reaching consequences of the announced cov id-2019 pandemic with 2.2-5.7% mortality and panic, I can’t help thinking about global reasons to unprecedentedly risk the future and welfare of the remaining 94.3-97.8% of humanity. Meanwhile, it seems the virus is more economical and political for many isolated households around the globe are running out of their savings and resources. The fear is more contagious than a virus. Hopefully, after the quarantine, billions of hungry masked people with very clean hands and nothing to lose will find their way to recover from it quickly. But who benefits?
As for terror, being the fifth largest city of China and a huge transportation hub, Wuhan may seem a weak spot for a bio-weapon, yet the deadly virus had to have more than 45% death rate at least initially, which is not the case.
While I take everything with a grain of salt as a mere opinion, including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic , I’d like to specify the holding one's breath exercise (for at least 10 seconds after exhaling and at least 60 seconds after inhaling) is an effective self-test for the lung, cardiac, and mental fitness, counting the stress and fatigue level. It may indicate some health issues indirectly, nothing special though.
Take care.
Healthy eating has went to pot as there is a lack of fresh produce here so having to eat mostly frozen ****,
People want a balanced picture of things.
Cannot imagine even most children being so immature as to think of and try that.
A lot of it is not even opinion, let alone educated opinion,
There is too much speculation at the moment
Some things are not opinion (and there can be informed opinion, or educated opinion as well as just opinions which everyone has) There is such a thing as hard facts and evidence, people also may reason soundly (make sense of things) or unsoundly due to a tendency towards paranoia or hysteria. Without some hard fact and evidence no one can form an informed opinion.
Brillant picture, just the sliding doors to navigate and he's outa there.
However, the point is they far too often use an AI (artificial intelligent) as an excuse, but I'd like to know the very man responsiblefor the prognosis and the order to halt the economics, so he or she could nicely explain us the compelling reasons. It can't be true that one neither cares, nor bears the responsibility for such a global mess and consequences, can it?
As for physical distancing, lately a friend of mine changed his mind to volunteer and bring some food and necessities gratis to
ungratefulsocial distancing people, because rather many "needy" consider volunteers obliged and servile, not to mention cheaters. Their attitudes and relations will hardly change for better after the quarantine, alas.Also the aisles were being restocked and very few of the staff had protective gear on. This made it awkward when I had to pass as I had no choice but to walk past close to them. Can't the supermarkets restock when they're closed? :-?
Its true,to be human is to be biassed (largely). Everything you have said has been biassed towards the notion there is some big and nasty overarching plan, from a small set of global elite.
I am more biassed towards the notion that all of this is not causes by malice, but incompetence and inaction.
Here is my bias. Our countries, politicians and wider civil services like to act like they have all the answers and a all powerful, all seeing, but when it comes down to it, most countries are just optimistically winging it, just like each and every one of us. We are all trying to give others the impression we are successful, powerful, wealthy, planned and rational but really we are just making it up as we go along because 21st century life has gotten so complex, so chaotic, that often spending a lot of time planning for every eventuality is not possible or cost effective. So we have become reactive as a race and optimistic short term planning is what we excel at and its what our government is doing to get us though this crisis. No doubt our techniques and preparedness for such a situation will evolve and when the next even more serious crisis happens we will wing it again because there will be too many unknowns.
That is the one issue I have with conspiracy theorists, they assume governments are like IBMs deep blue, that is for every decision, they have worked out the consequences, and the consequences for every decision after that in order, three or four levels deep (a weighted decision tree, like chess algorithms have) to be the most manipulative. I honestly do not think civilizations and governments are that smart, they just pretend they are.
To pick up a couple of your comments and reply.
I think the problem is that many politicians live too much in fear of the MSM. Some news reports such as one on SKY NEWS from an Italian hospital that I linked to further up the thread attempted to be 'prognostic' (but not on the basis of any expert knowledge which would have to comprehend age demographics and air polution level amongst things in other countries) of what would happen in other countries, and the correspondent nearly feeds words to one of the people he was interviewing. These clips are edited and some of the footage undoubtedly hits the cutting room floor and other snippets get 'pasted' together into a TV news article. Decisions are taken about what to include and what to leave out. What is the ethos or reporting philosophy that guides such decisions? - to me it should be to present a balanced coverage - so if you show one hospital which is busy and staff stretched, you need to actually find out if that is the case in most hospitals or only a few - and not leave the impression with the viewer that is the way things are across the board. So if they show people in intensive care they need to show people in recovery also. I don't think the news report I am talking about here did that and the result was seriously unbalanced coverage.
The decisions to halt economic activity are taken a national level. And some countries, for example Sweden have allowed economic activity to continue while trusting its citizens to social distance. I think that is a better approach up to a point. Reducing numbers going to school down to say 10% for skeleton staffing and pupil numbers for maybe three weeks would be another good idea to implement early, while letting as much economic life continue. But the WHO was talking a lot about countries waiting too long to act, and that was in some instances the case - we had about a month to prepare for this. If we had not been thinking "oh that will just affect China" we'd have been more on the ball - do we even know for sure the virus that leads to COVID-19 hasn't been around for a good while longer - how much longer is the interesting question, but there is no point speculating just now. But the severity of COVID-19 in individual cases is dependent on multiple factors - one being a person's health profile when they catch the virus, another is how long before its treated, and a third what level of healthcare is available to each person.
I think you are mostly correct. I don't know about every country, but in the UK - what we may be facing is a crisis of inexperience - we have a cabinet selected mainly for obedience, not experience. If anything good comes out of Boris catching this it will be that he sees the need for the UK to be much better prepared for this sort of thing ever happening again - and that will mean a right methodology for tackling any future epidemic - which would require adequate testing capacity - and that preferably through NHS labs rather than mostly outsourced to commercial labs, randomised testing to be implemented as early as possible - keeping economic activity going as long as possible...and slowing / interupting the spread of any virus in the school system first as early as possible.
Even if a epidemic came only once every ten years we simply could not sustain levels of healthcare adequately for each one if we respond to it with a lockdown each time. Lockdowns cannot become the norm for dealing with this sort of event - there are better ways and they must be found and implemented.
If they don't already would it not make sense for the NHS to basically produce all its PPE in-house, cut out the middle man?