It seems the nice weather is bringing people out, judging by the amount of people i seen milling round my street today i seem to be the only one staying in!
Scottie, you are talking, but why we hear the officials’ creeping silence instead of inspiring calm? Although there’re different classifications, the main six roles of the government are
In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. (Voltaire)
1) Providing a stable institutional framework;
2) Promote effective and workable competition;
3) Correct for externalities;
4) Ensure for economic stability and growth;
5) Provide for public goods;
6) Adjust for undesired market results.
-BrainMass
So, is the government really effective to protect the citizens' rights and lives today? I don’t care much about the WHO (which miserably failed several times with “excessive “predictions of affecting third of world's population) and other dictating externals, because it’s very our government who must take informed decisions with fully due responsibility and report to the people, explaining peculiarities. So, why the elected persons in power sit mum and play the Broken telephone and Rumor puzzle games with their people as if hiding something or having a different agenda in mind? This is the big truth and trust problem. Certainly, with such a shushing “formal pandemic declaration” policy, huge money-sucking machine, and no stable income, it’s just a matter of time for common people to go belly up.
Spoiler:
For what it’s worth, I’d prefer the chosen in charge come out and directly say something like:
Dear fellow victims, as eligible and competent individuals such and such, we thoroughly checked this and that prognoses by such and such qualified specialists reviewed by such and such peers, we considered this and that outcomes, and in spite of risking the vast majority, we fully accepted our responsibility rejecting Plan A, B, C, and D in favor of the quarantine and halted economics with such and such effects. . . and more specifics.
At the moment, it doesn’t look like the governments know what to do, (deliberately or not) heightening the pressure and adding to distrust and insinuations.
Besides the awkward deathly silence, Cap parroting, blatant crooks’ activity, many alarmed people ousted to suburbs and villages or abroad, and insolence spread, I find the heavy bombing with “corona” warnings rather annoying--SMS from a hundred of entities and individuals, FB, Google, Twitter, memos, and so on, no kidding? One time would nicely do. I am bored with such an odium disservice, so I’d rather play or watch something instead :)
Can someone tell me whether the NHS have a division that manufactures its own PPE - face masks, nursing garbs, protective capes etc. or is this all outsourced in the UK?
If they don't already would it not make sense for the NHS to basically produce all its PPE in-house, cut out the middle man?
It 'may have changed..but when I had a spell working for this NHS procurement dept(2003 to 2004)...procurement and preferred bidder system on contracts was nothing short of scandalous. For example..food was supplied by a company called 2332..and a sandwich was charged at something like 2.50..where as they could have sent someone to the Tesco and paid 1.10 for the same sandwich. Need 50 new computer workstations..why not pay some company 3500 pounds a time to supply..when they could have nipped down to Dixon and paid 500. Yeah, stuff could be made in UK, but from what I seen it was all contracted out via preferred bidder system. It was actually quite scandalous and the corruption and theft at all levels was incredible. Managers at all levels..especially at the top , line managers, staff..'back handers', pilfering. Manufacturing arm...nah. You get the drift..SKANDAL!!!!
Rebel MP Tommy Sheridan put forward proposals for 'socialised medicine'..by that he proposed that medicine should be researched inhouse, made and sold, that generic medicine and some equipment be made inhouse..BUT NO..he was laughed at and ostracized for such thinking. THEY termed it socialized medicine..but it's hardly that..just another media manipulation at the time.
Anyhoo. I remember an expert saying..I wish this outbreak had happened back in 2005 as the NHS would be able to cope much better..but so now its 2020...
NRA - please can you just give it a rest and go spout your cráp some place where anyone gives a shít?
In all your paranoid posts, I've honestly not been able to glean any coherent point. Your diction is so messed up, it completely loses your impetus. I find it exhausting and I've given up trying to understand you. You're just cluttering up this thread.
Scottie, you are talking, but why we hear the officials’ creeping silence instead of inspiring calm? Although there’re different classifications, the main six roles of the government are In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. (Voltaire)
1) Providing a stable institutional framework;
2) Promote effective and workable competition;
3) Correct for externalities;
4) Ensure for economic stability and growth;
5) Provide for public goods;
6) Adjust for undesired market results.
This is what we call in English verbal diarrhea on in Ukrainian(ish) словесна діарея. These are just empty statements, they describe nothing specific or offer any specific advice. This is your second warning. If you continue to post empty nothings, and not contribute to the flow of discussion meaningfully I will suspend you from the forum for two weeks. People have had enough.
We are happy to engage in conversation with you just so long as what you say is credible and has some proper meaning.
Scottie, it would be nice if you were a little more specific--what exactly is either not true or may seem irrelevant to you? You have counterarguments or just don’t like it? Pity, yet without specifics, even deleting my posts or the acc will not explain it to me what namely was inappropriate for you, if any.
Spoiler:
1) Is the government doing its duties and responsibilities?
- If YES, what and how exactly they are doing it? (For at this rate, the next step seems to be the martial law or default.)
- If NO, what are they (doing)?
2) Did the WHO use to cry “Wolf! Wolf”, predicting about the third of humanity may fall victims to bird/swine flu?
- If YES, why blindly trust them now?
- If NO, let them show their scientific prognoses.
3) Does the new WHO make orders single-handed for the countries, imposing sanctions?
- If YES, about what objective or balanced decisions of sovereign states we are talking?
- If NO, on what grounds we have people and economics ‘self-quarantined’?
Simple questions, simple answers; no offence.
Based on the results of the local extensive representative study in infected Heinsberg County (North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany), scientists from the Universitätsklinikum Bonn came to the conclusion that mortality among people diagnosed with coronavirus is 0.37%, and among the population in general is 0.06%.
It's almost like some of those people I see in the supermarket nowadays. Take all their kids with them, don't do distancing to anybody else, and let their kids roam the supermarkets too.
Maybe it's time they put a sign with 'Dogs and Kids stay outside' or something ;)
Anyway, I'll try visit a different supermarket from now on. It's just too dangerous in the one I'm normally visiting.
Oh well, I guess I was right not going there more often...
A friend of mine who lives around here and goes to the same shops and who I haven't seen for just more than a week, told me this week he was having 40C of fever.
He's a lot better now, fortunately, but I did told him to stay home until a week after the symptoms were over. I am still texting him every day to make sure that he's still fine.
No wonder we got virus...she eats live stuff and chops up sea stuff. she poured loads of salt on big bowl of living fish for some reason...this is a tame video...
Scottie, it would be nice if you were a little more specific
Ok, I will make this simple I will set you a task. For each of these six bullet points that you made, I want you to qualify each one with an example of a) what you mean, b) state clearly and concisely what is not being done by governments and c) what could be done better given the financial, human and natural (or physical) resources we have. Bare in mind that what I expect to see is not empty words, but some meaning that we can all learn from.
1) Providing a stable institutional framework;
2) Promote effective and workable competition;
3) Correct for externalities;
4) Ensure for economic stability and growth;
5) Provide for public goods;
6) Adjust for undesired market results.
Remember, no empty sentiments or vacuous statements, use facts and evidence.
The final average mortality rate across a general population will NOT be known until long after the COVID19 Corona virus has finished killing humans. And even then, the figure will only be an approximation.
It’s also very likely that the influenza average mortality rate is not particularly accurate, because not everyone who gets it goes to the doctor let alone hospital.
When it comes to humans and infections, disease, etc. the first casualty is accurate numbers.
Besides, a mortality rate is largely completely irrelevant to an individual, as everyone is slightly different and no one knows for certain how an infection will affect an individual.
Especially as a mortality rate is a statistical average. Note that there are multiple ways of calculating an average...
So take ANY published or quoted mortality rate with a very large pinch of salt.
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
No wonder we got virus...she eats live stuff and chops up sea stuff. she poured loads of salt on big bowl of living fish for some reason...this is a tame video...
That stupid bitch has came under a lot of fire for her vids recently, and rightly so. Chewing the legs of octopi while they're still thrashing about, cutting the hoods, and tentacles from squids, and leaving them walking about, basically after they've been skinned alive, taking bites out of eels while they're still splashing about in the water.
Of course the usual white knight sh*t from her simps is calling all the angry people racist, and quoting the culture gap, and so forth....But when stuff like this is done for entertainment, maybe we should bridge that gap, with a quick smack round her head!
I mean really all these animals she's eating live, and preparing live, all she has to do is pop the tip of her chefs knife between their eyes, and it's all over, not torture them for clicks, and lulz...
I think you might find what he has to say up your alley. He was a very well respected sports presenter who moved into uncovering social injustices and the like a few years ago.
That stupid bitch has came under a lot of fire for her vids recently, and rightly so. Chewing the legs of octopi while they're still thrashing about, cutting the hoods, and tentacles from squids, and leaving them walking about, basically after they've been skinned alive, taking bites out of eels while they're still splashing about in the water.
Of course the usual white knight sh*t from her simps is calling all the angry people racist, and quoting the culture gap, and so forth....But when stuff like this is done for entertainment, maybe we should bridge that gap, with a quick smack round her head!
I mean really all these animals she's eating live, and preparing live, all she has to do is pop the tip of her chefs knife between their eyes, and it's all over, not torture them for clicks, and lulz...
Yes and yes and yes..fupping disgusting arse. Made me sick to my stomach. If that's a multi culture..i don't want it near me. OK..it's sea creature and not mammal..but god only knows what else these people get up to.
Scottie doesn’t know or it’s just a polite way to say: “I see that you consider ‘Alice in Wonderland’ to be a theosophy and have much interesting sh*t to say, but it’s no fun now for we are already creeped out and fuss, so could you please refrain from such non-falsifiable claims and curious theories even with links--at least till the end of the ‘quarantine’, okay?” Ok.
To cut the long story short, let’s assume you find the definitions and articles right or at least plausible.
Now, let’s see what one can/must NOT do freely any longer:
Spoiler:
- earn enough money; (I was among a few lucky to get a paid leave, but soon it’s over)
- ask urgent police/firemen help; (now they reluctantly come after an hour or later, unless it’s a serious case)
- ask for medical assistance; (also sluggish, unless the person is under 60 with a health insurance and no cancer or comorbids; or it might be an advanced form of pneumonia)
- visit public places and parks or attend schools and institutions;
- make plans even for near future;
- go out without a mask even being not sick;
- go whenever and wherever he or she wants, including foreign countries;
- personally communicate with the family members and others;
- demand explanations, ask question, and voice unpopular opinions;
--and everything because of a covid-19, while the worst is yet to come.
I can’t have dinner at a restaurant or enter a shop without a mask--because they say after covid only, my car can’t have a certified repair--after covid, my brother and I can’t see a lawyer--after covid, my colleague can’t get married in April--after covid, my friend’s younger son doesn’t know whether he could finish his AP classes and the elder son missed the research grant, and so on. It’s no quarantine.
HOWEVER, what is the reason--just explain me why halting the economics globally? I have the right to know, but they say nothing. Therefore, show me the worst case scenario without lockdown and with one. Is it too much, if they really know what they are doing?
Regrettably, with such a limitation of constitutional rights and no job, for me it’s very much like the government waived most* its duties and responsibilities (self-)isolated, leaving the terrified people on their own: neither hopes or incomes nor promises or specifics. And who (not what) is responsible to compensate the costs and damages?--No “somebody else strongly recommended it” excuses will do.
Spoiler:
MAINTENANCE OF LAW AND ORDER
It is the prime duty of the government to keep the society intact and in peace. Maintenance of law and order is ensured through the police, armed forces and the courts by protecting the liberties of individuals in the society. This is done by regulating the conduct of individuals living within the society and punishing offenders of the law.
PROTECTION OF LIVES AND PROPERTIES
It is the duty of the government to protect lives and properties of the citizens residing within the country and outside the country. This ensures the enjoyment of the right to life and the right to own and use properties.
PROMOTE DEMOCRACY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
The duty of government is also to promote democracy and social justice as it is through this that individual rights will be enjoyed fully and everyone will be able to realize his potentials.
PROVISION OF SOCIAL WELFARE SERVICES
Revenue obtained from the various resources harnessed by the government is used to provide basic necessaries of life. This includes roads, hospitals, good pipe borne water, electricity and education and any other services that improves the standard of living of citizens.
PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
It is also one of the duties of the government to purse good fiscal and monetary policies that will promote economic growth and development.
PROTECTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Government must also ensure that the fundamental human rights of the citizens are protected. This could be done by government if the government allows the judiciary to be independent so as to adjudicate without fear or favour when citizens sue for redress if their rights are infringed.
MAINTENANCE OF EXTERNAL RELATIONS
The maintenance of good external relations with other countries is a view to ensure peaceful co-existence between Nigeria and citizens of other countries.
TO PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES
It is one of the duties of the government to provide employment opportunities for the citizens. Where this could not be done comfortably for all, government should provide enabling environment for citizens to make source of livelihood. This could be done by government if subsidy is given or there is reduction in excise duties or taxes.
Seems to be a lot of "black cap thinking" in regard to this virus outbreak. Black cap thinking was one of the modes of thought described by Edvard DeBono, he described 6 thinking styles distinguishing them by coloured caps. Each one, including black cap thinking, has an appropriate place, it only becomes problematic when people think only in that mode. Black cap thinking is good at identifying problems, where that mode becomes problematic in itself is when it doesn't recognise that there may be solutions to those problems. Thinking styles are not unique to each individual, for instance DeBono doesn't mean that each person should identify themselves with one thinking style out of the six he articulates. Rather we should change hats as we think about issues.
Can I ask because I assume there are people that are of the same or higher level of intelligence as myself to respond. I don't make any claim to expert experience, but I have listened to some expert people qualified to talk on the subject (I have linked to those in another thread). Would it not make sense to be each year carrying out randomised tests of the healthly public, to see what they may have caught and have immunity too, instead of waiting for an outbreak. I'll leave the ideal number of randomised tests in the hands of the experts - but there seems to be a sweet spot in terms of the number of tests needed to be done depending on what you are testing, and the size of the population, so it would not necessarily need to be millions of tests. With some careful thought they could find an economy in regard to this. It seems to me if this was done then we would be on the ball if a novel virus emerged again? The other scenario is that by the time higher than average annual numbers of people dying from pneumonia is spotted a virus may have been around for maybe 3 - 6 months perhaps.
Are we to wait for China, or some other country to detect the next novel virus, and tell us?
How can we do this without greater national testing capacity, I mean in terms of public laboratories? The UK closed some of its public forensics labs about ten years ago. Each country needs to be more pro-active and self-determining in this matter is what I think.
Please don't add fuel to the fire we have already got a Jowett Ramble Miester mark 2 style posting going on without giving the algorithm more data.
:-D
"We have an airlock and are taking over this conversation!" :-p
I am trying to tolerate NRA because despite the loose connections, he does occasionally bring up a interesting link, such as that German TV debate. And while I don't propose any conspiracy I think we have got to a position of mishandling due to limited information - maybe excusable, maybe not (some countries have had adequate time to prepare - don't have a new government just elected).
Can someone tell me whether the NHS have a division that manufactures its own PPE - face masks, nursing garbs, protective capes etc. or is this all outsourced in the UK?
If they don't already would it not make sense for the NHS to basically produce all its PPE in-house, cut out the middle man?
It 'may have changed..but when I had a spell working for this NHS procurement dept(2003 to 2004)...procurement and preferred bidder system on contracts was nothing short of scandalous. For example..food was supplied by a company called 2332..and a sandwich was charged at something like 2.50..where as they could have sent someone to the Tesco and paid 1.10 for the same sandwich. Need 50 new computer workstations..why not pay some company 3500 pounds a time to supply..when they could have nipped down to Dixon and paid 500. Yeah, stuff could be made in UK, but from what I seen it was all contracted out via preferred bidder system. It was actually quite scandalous and the corruption and theft at all levels was incredible. Managers at all levels..especially at the top , line managers, staff..'back handers', pilfering. Manufacturing arm...nah. You get the drift..SKANDAL!!!!
Rebel MP Tommy Sheridan put forward proposals for 'socialised medicine'..by that he proposed that medicine should be researched inhouse, made and sold, that generic medicine and some equipment be made inhouse..BUT NO..he was laughed at and ostracized for such thinking. THEY termed it socialized medicine..but it's hardly that..just another media manipulation at the time.
Anyhoo. I remember an expert saying..I wish this outbreak had happened back in 2005 as the NHS would be able to cope much better..but so now its 2020...
Thanks AElita. Thats helpful. There are degrees of socialised healthcare. It seems like we have gradually out-sourced some things that it would have made much better sense to keep in house, such as making PPE, and food preparation.
That stupid bitch has came under a lot of fire for her vids recently, and rightly so. Chewing the legs of octopi while they're still thrashing about, cutting the hoods, and tentacles from squids, and leaving them walking about, basically after they've been skinned alive, taking bites out of eels while they're still splashing about in the water.
Of course the usual white knight sh*t from her simps is calling all the angry people racist, and quoting the culture gap, and so forth....But when stuff like this is done for entertainment, maybe we should bridge that gap, with a quick smack round her head!
I mean really all these animals she's eating live, and preparing live, all she has to do is pop the tip of her chefs knife between their eyes, and it's all over, not torture them for clicks, and lulz...
Yes and yes and yes..fupping disgusting arse. Made me sick to my stomach. If that's a multi culture..i don't want it near me. OK..it's sea creature and not mammal..but god only knows what else these people get up to.
I seen some of it.
A little respect for other living things is still possible even if they are to be killed for food eventually.
It is sick - I don't believe it to be typical. She is hyper and needs restrainment, if not a slap.
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Besides the awkward deathly silence, Cap parroting, blatant crooks’ activity, many alarmed people ousted to suburbs and villages or abroad, and insolence spread, I find the heavy bombing with “corona” warnings rather annoying--SMS from a hundred of entities and individuals, FB, Google, Twitter, memos, and so on, no kidding? One time would nicely do. I am bored with such an odium disservice, so I’d rather play or watch something instead :)
It 'may have changed..but when I had a spell working for this NHS procurement dept(2003 to 2004)...procurement and preferred bidder system on contracts was nothing short of scandalous. For example..food was supplied by a company called 2332..and a sandwich was charged at something like 2.50..where as they could have sent someone to the Tesco and paid 1.10 for the same sandwich. Need 50 new computer workstations..why not pay some company 3500 pounds a time to supply..when they could have nipped down to Dixon and paid 500. Yeah, stuff could be made in UK, but from what I seen it was all contracted out via preferred bidder system. It was actually quite scandalous and the corruption and theft at all levels was incredible. Managers at all levels..especially at the top , line managers, staff..'back handers', pilfering. Manufacturing arm...nah. You get the drift..SKANDAL!!!!
Rebel MP Tommy Sheridan put forward proposals for 'socialised medicine'..by that he proposed that medicine should be researched inhouse, made and sold, that generic medicine and some equipment be made inhouse..BUT NO..he was laughed at and ostracized for such thinking. THEY termed it socialized medicine..but it's hardly that..just another media manipulation at the time.
Anyhoo. I remember an expert saying..I wish this outbreak had happened back in 2005 as the NHS would be able to cope much better..but so now its 2020...
In all your paranoid posts, I've honestly not been able to glean any coherent point. Your diction is so messed up, it completely loses your impetus. I find it exhausting and I've given up trying to understand you. You're just cluttering up this thread.
This is what we call in English verbal diarrhea on in Ukrainian(ish) словесна діарея. These are just empty statements, they describe nothing specific or offer any specific advice. This is your second warning. If you continue to post empty nothings, and not contribute to the flow of discussion meaningfully I will suspend you from the forum for two weeks. People have had enough.
We are happy to engage in conversation with you just so long as what you say is credible and has some proper meaning.
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can equally be explained by incompetence.
Me too! :))
- If YES, what and how exactly they are doing it? (For at this rate, the next step seems to be the martial law or default.)
- If NO, what are they (doing)?
2) Did the WHO use to cry “Wolf! Wolf”, predicting about the third of humanity may fall victims to bird/swine flu?
- If YES, why blindly trust them now?
- If NO, let them show their scientific prognoses.
3) Does the new WHO make orders single-handed for the countries, imposing sanctions?
- If YES, about what objective or balanced decisions of sovereign states we are talking?
- If NO, on what grounds we have people and economics ‘self-quarantined’?
Simple questions, simple answers; no offence.
A friend of mine who lives around here and goes to the same shops and who I haven't seen for just more than a week, told me this week he was having 40C of fever.
He's a lot better now, fortunately, but I did told him to stay home until a week after the symptoms were over. I am still texting him every day to make sure that he's still fine.
So please stay cautious, and stay safe.
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1) Providing a stable institutional framework;
2) Promote effective and workable competition;
3) Correct for externalities;
4) Ensure for economic stability and growth;
5) Provide for public goods;
6) Adjust for undesired market results.
Remember, no empty sentiments or vacuous statements, use facts and evidence.
It’s also very likely that the influenza average mortality rate is not particularly accurate, because not everyone who gets it goes to the doctor let alone hospital.
When it comes to humans and infections, disease, etc. the first casualty is accurate numbers.
Besides, a mortality rate is largely completely irrelevant to an individual, as everyone is slightly different and no one knows for certain how an infection will affect an individual.
Especially as a mortality rate is a statistical average. Note that there are multiple ways of calculating an average...
So take ANY published or quoted mortality rate with a very large pinch of salt.
Mark
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
The Flaw of Averages
I’m sure there are plenty of other articles on this subject...
Mark
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
You would! .... eat eat eat! .....Banzai! :)
That stupid bitch has came under a lot of fire for her vids recently, and rightly so. Chewing the legs of octopi while they're still thrashing about, cutting the hoods, and tentacles from squids, and leaving them walking about, basically after they've been skinned alive, taking bites out of eels while they're still splashing about in the water.
Of course the usual white knight sh*t from her simps is calling all the angry people racist, and quoting the culture gap, and so forth....But when stuff like this is done for entertainment, maybe we should bridge that gap, with a quick smack round her head!
I mean really all these animals she's eating live, and preparing live, all she has to do is pop the tip of her chefs knife between their eyes, and it's all over, not torture them for clicks, and lulz...
https://londonreal.tv/the-coronavirus-conspiracy-how-covid-19-will-seize-your-rights-destroy-our-economy-david-icke/
I think you might find what he has to say up your alley. He was a very well respected sports presenter who moved into uncovering social injustices and the like a few years ago.
Yes and yes and yes..fupping disgusting arse. Made me sick to my stomach. If that's a multi culture..i don't want it near me. OK..it's sea creature and not mammal..but god only knows what else these people get up to.
JSpeccy-win32-portable
plus autotransfusion
JSpeccy-win32-portable
To cut the long story short, let’s assume you find the definitions and articles right or at least plausible.
Now, let’s see what one can/must NOT do freely any longer:
- ask urgent police/firemen help; (now they reluctantly come after an hour or later, unless it’s a serious case)
- ask for medical assistance; (also sluggish, unless the person is under 60 with a health insurance and no cancer or comorbids; or it might be an advanced form of pneumonia)
- visit public places and parks or attend schools and institutions;
- make plans even for near future;
- go out without a mask even being not sick;
- go whenever and wherever he or she wants, including foreign countries;
- personally communicate with the family members and others;
- demand explanations, ask question, and voice unpopular opinions;
--and everything because of a covid-19, while the worst is yet to come.
I can’t have dinner at a restaurant or enter a shop without a mask--because they say after covid only, my car can’t have a certified repair--after covid, my brother and I can’t see a lawyer--after covid, my colleague can’t get married in April--after covid, my friend’s younger son doesn’t know whether he could finish his AP classes and the elder son missed the research grant, and so on. It’s no quarantine.
HOWEVER, what is the reason--just explain me why halting the economics globally? I have the right to know, but they say nothing. Therefore, show me the worst case scenario without lockdown and with one. Is it too much, if they really know what they are doing?
Regrettably, with such a limitation of constitutional rights and no job, for me it’s very much like the government
waived most* its duties and responsibilities(self-)isolated, leaving the terrified people on their own: neither hopes or incomes nor promises or specifics. And who (not what) is responsible to compensate the costs and damages?--No “somebody else strongly recommended it” excuses will do.It is the prime duty of the government to keep the society intact and in peace. Maintenance of law and order is ensured through the police, armed forces and the courts by protecting the liberties of individuals in the society. This is done by regulating the conduct of individuals living within the society and punishing offenders of the law.
PROTECTION OF LIVES AND PROPERTIES
It is the duty of the government to protect lives and properties of the citizens residing within the country and outside the country. This ensures the enjoyment of the right to life and the right to own and use properties.
PROMOTE DEMOCRACY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE
The duty of government is also to promote democracy and social justice as it is through this that individual rights will be enjoyed fully and everyone will be able to realize his potentials.
PROVISION OF SOCIAL WELFARE SERVICES
Revenue obtained from the various resources harnessed by the government is used to provide basic necessaries of life. This includes roads, hospitals, good pipe borne water, electricity and education and any other services that improves the standard of living of citizens.
PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
It is also one of the duties of the government to purse good fiscal and monetary policies that will promote economic growth and development.
PROTECTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Government must also ensure that the fundamental human rights of the citizens are protected. This could be done by government if the government allows the judiciary to be independent so as to adjudicate without fear or favour when citizens sue for redress if their rights are infringed.
MAINTENANCE OF EXTERNAL RELATIONS
The maintenance of good external relations with other countries is a view to ensure peaceful co-existence between Nigeria and citizens of other countries.
TO PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES
It is one of the duties of the government to provide employment opportunities for the citizens. Where this could not be done comfortably for all, government should provide enabling environment for citizens to make source of livelihood. This could be done by government if subsidy is given or there is reduction in excise duties or taxes.
Can I ask because I assume there are people that are of the same or higher level of intelligence as myself to respond. I don't make any claim to expert experience, but I have listened to some expert people qualified to talk on the subject (I have linked to those in another thread). Would it not make sense to be each year carrying out randomised tests of the healthly public, to see what they may have caught and have immunity too, instead of waiting for an outbreak. I'll leave the ideal number of randomised tests in the hands of the experts - but there seems to be a sweet spot in terms of the number of tests needed to be done depending on what you are testing, and the size of the population, so it would not necessarily need to be millions of tests. With some careful thought they could find an economy in regard to this. It seems to me if this was done then we would be on the ball if a novel virus emerged again? The other scenario is that by the time higher than average annual numbers of people dying from pneumonia is spotted a virus may have been around for maybe 3 - 6 months perhaps.
Are we to wait for China, or some other country to detect the next novel virus, and tell us?
How can we do this without greater national testing capacity, I mean in terms of public laboratories? The UK closed some of its public forensics labs about ten years ago. Each country needs to be more pro-active and self-determining in this matter is what I think.
Comments on the above?
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"We have an airlock and are taking over this conversation!" :-p
I am trying to tolerate NRA because despite the loose connections, he does occasionally bring up a interesting link, such as that German TV debate. And while I don't propose any conspiracy I think we have got to a position of mishandling due to limited information - maybe excusable, maybe not (some countries have had adequate time to prepare - don't have a new government just elected).
Thanks AElita. Thats helpful. There are degrees of socialised healthcare. It seems like we have gradually out-sourced some things that it would have made much better sense to keep in house, such as making PPE, and food preparation.
I am not an expert, in what field of expertise do you seek?
I seen some of it.
A little respect for other living things is still possible even if they are to be killed for food eventually.
It is sick - I don't believe it to be typical. She is hyper and needs restrainment, if not a slap.