Peter sutcliffe...
Apparently everyone's looking forward to getting hammered at the wake..
Considering the manner in which those poor lasses died this seems pretty offensive to be honest Mel and I'm sorry if you can't see that Christ knows I'm no prude, I thought you were better than this.
Earlier this year, he was hospitalised after suffering a heart attack and subsequently received treatment for a chest infection relating to COVID-19 but his cause of death isn't yet known.
Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
Famous from the 50's onwards I'd say when he started as a comedian /compare on the variety circuit.
He was the compare for Buddy Holley when he toured the UK with the Crickets.
I think I got Des O' Connor, I was telling somebody about that old Castello Cigar ad that had Russ Abbott in it where he's fishing, and he puts a speaker in the water playing Des O'Connor's greatest hits, and all the fish jump out the water into his net to get away from the music....
Next on the chopping block: Eric Hall. "Monster monster!"
Lord Yes Sir Alan "You're Fired!" Sugar has offered the tersest "tribute" I've ever seen, given that there's plenty of evidence the two of them didn't get on well.
My goodness there are not many entertainers left of that generation (whose heyday was the 1970s and 80s) , now that Bruce, Des, Morcambe and Wise, and a lot of others are gone.
Next on the chopping block: Eric Hall. "Monster monster!"
Lord Yes Sir Alan "You're Fired!" Sugar has offered the tersest "tribute" I've ever seen, given that there's plenty of evidence the two of them didn't get on well.
I thought Eric Hall died years ago? Guess he didn't......I may have innadvertantly killed him as well, as I found myself saying "Monster Monster!" to myself at work the other day after something actually went well for a change :(
My goodness there are not many entertainers left of that generation (whose heyday was the 1970s and 80s) , now that Bruce, Des, Morcambe and Wise, and a lot of others are gone.
time marches on, we were kids, they were in their 30s etc, now im in mi 50s, theyre in their late 70s / 80s
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Professional Mel-the-Bell Simulator................"So realistic, I found myself reaching for the Kleenex King-Size!" - Richard Darling
The "Hand of God" goal still hurts to this day, and all the more so because of the unbelievable goal he scored a few minutes later which was really the nail in the coffin. The game was gone in two devastating moments that summed up Maradona totally. Just how could he be stopped???
He certainly had his faults and problems both in his career and privately, but while I don't personally consider him the greatest of all time (Messi, surely is just as good but has done it consistently for his whole career), I'll say that Maradona produced the best performance by a single player at a World Cup Tournament. He was definitely the best in the world at the time, but more than lived up to the hype and almost single-handedly won the world cup for Argentina!
Without wishing to start a mass debate but I don't particularly rate Messi all that highly. Yes, he's a brilliant player and certainly in the top ten players of all time but there's several players I consider better - Maradona, Best, Cruyff, Zidane, Pele, Fat Ronaldo.
For me he's always been in his comfort zone surrounded by world class players. Taken out of that zone, i.e. the Argentina national team, and 9 times out of 10 he's anonymous. And he's surrounded by far more world class players in that Argentina squad than Maradona ever was. The 1986 team was bang-average, apart from Maradona, and was only slightly better in 1990 with the addition of Cannigia - and nearly won to WC's in a row. Messi's been surrounded by Tevez, Aguero, Mascherano, Veron, Di Maria etc and still achieved nothing other than getting to WC Final in 2014.
Barca he's surrounded by world class players so small wonder someone that good excels in that team; Maradona at Napoli took them to an unbelievable two Serie A titles. He had good players alongside him (Zola and Ferrara for instance) but it was like the equivalent of Southampton winning the Premier League really. Particularly when you consider that AC Milan were at their peak and probably the best club side of all time.
Having said all that I really hope he signs for Man City as it would be incredible to see him in the Premier League. Just need Stoke to get promoted and that question mark about him could be answered :-)
I hear what you're saying about Messi. Sure, he's always been in a brilliant Barcelona side, but his consistency over so long is incredible.
And anyway, while Internationals and the World Cup used to be seen as the pinnacle of football, that's clearly not the case any more as the top teams in Europe just snaffle up all the best players, so they're all better than any international side. It used to be claimed that Messi couldn't be considered amongst the greatest because he never delivered on the "biggest stage". But I refute that because I don't see the World Cup as the pinnacle.
I think people's choice of the best is coloured by fleeting oustanding moments (and nostalgia). It's just a case of whether you consider the mark of the best as being someone clearly head and shoulders above their peers and winning the World Cup, or whether being consistently brilliant over your whole career matters more.
Probably someone who burned exceedingly bright, but for not so long (like many of the names you mentioned) stands out in the memory more too.
Maradona was clearly talented enough to be considered amongst the greatest, but probably never got the chance to show it all that much. And he was unfairly targeted back in the day too, whereas today skillfull dribbling players like him are more protected by the rules
Barca he's surrounded by world class players so small wonder someone that good excels in that team; Maradona at Napoli took them to an unbelievable two Serie A titles. He had good players alongside him (Zola and Ferrara for instance) but it was like the equivalent of Southampton winning the Premier League really. Particularly when you consider that AC Milan were at their peak and probably the best club side of all time.
Yes, Maradona in fact created a special bond with the supporters of SSC Napoli and to this day in Naples he is literally venerated for this, not only for the two scudetti he heavily contributed to in 1987 and 1990, to the point that a day of official mourning was proclaimed in the city and the mayor proposed to entitle San Paolo stadium to him.
I also believe that with more discipline he could have been at the top for much longer. In Kusturica's documentary film he can be heard saying: "Emir, do you know which kind of player would I have been, had I not sniffed cocaine? ... I could have been much more than what I am".
Oh, no. Every time you turn up something monumental and terrible happens.
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
I hear what you're saying about Messi. Sure, he's always been in a brilliant Barcelona side, but his consistency over so long is incredible.
And anyway, while Internationals and the World Cup used to be seen as the pinnacle of football, that's clearly not the case any more as the top teams in Europe just snaffle up all the best players, so they're all better than any international side. It used to be claimed that Messi couldn't be considered amongst the greatest because he never delivered on the "biggest stage". But I refute that because I don't see the World Cup as the pinnacle.
I think people's choice of the best is coloured by fleeting oustanding moments (and nostalgia). It's just a case of whether you consider the mark of the best as being someone clearly head and shoulders above their peers and winning the World Cup, or whether being consistently brilliant over your whole career matters more.
Probably someone who burned exceedingly bright, but for not so long (like many of the names you mentioned) stands out in the memory more too.
Maradona was clearly talented enough to be considered amongst the greatest, but probably never got the chance to show it all that much. And he was unfairly targeted back in the day too, whereas today skillfull dribbling players like him are more protected by the rules
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why many think Messi is the best of all time, just, nah, not for me. But it's a bit ridiculous to compare anyway, the greatest players of the 50's, 60, 70 etc all played in vastly different eras. Maradona and Pele were kicked to pieces, Messi is protected. But Messi's fitness, speed and skill would run rings around players of earlier eras, likewise Maradona and Pele would create and score far more goals in todays era due to the protection skilled players now get. They'd probably only last 50 minutes though :)) Swings and roundabouts.
As Gary Lineker said, you've just got to appreciate what we have in the current moment.
I agree about the nostalgia and outstanding moments too. Those are what are remembered years later. In fact I would hazard that Maradona probably wasn't quite as good as what I remember him to be (in my head he destroyed every team/opponent which is ridiculous). You just remember the moments where he made other players look very, very ordinary, not the moments where he did nothing. Same for any player really. Even as great as Gazza was for England, there were times when he was awful.
Only thing I'd disagree with is the "pinnacle". It is and always will be the World Cup IMO. Ask any player on the planet what they'd rather win - World Cup, Champions League or Domestic League. I reckon 99.99% would say the World Cup. But in the bigger football world, team supporters and all that, it's going to be different. For example I bet every Liverpool fan would have traded a couple of England World Cup wins for that first Premier League title over the last 30 years.
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Considering the manner in which those poor lasses died this seems pretty offensive to be honest Mel and I'm sorry if you can't see that Christ knows I'm no prude, I thought you were better than this.
"Ton Machine" Alan Glazier
https://dartsnews.com/bdo/former-world-championship-semi-finalist-alan-glazier-passes-away
Sheesh.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54950051
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https://www.luny.co.uk
He was the compare for Buddy Holley when he toured the UK with the Crickets.
https://bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54953093
thought it was odd, thought watching his teams play in the late 70s, early 80s as a kid and he was only one year older Oo
lol
Damn, oops, typo :/
Oops! :O
Lord Yes Sir Alan "You're Fired!" Sugar has offered the tersest "tribute" I've ever seen, given that there's plenty of evidence the two of them didn't get on well.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12134389/eric-hall-former-football-agent-dies-aged-73
I thought Eric Hall died years ago? Guess he didn't......I may have innadvertantly killed him as well, as I found myself saying "Monster Monster!" to myself at work the other day after something actually went well for a change :(
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/heavy-d-death-celebrity-big-brother-age-cause-b1761674.html
https://bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54810392
He had his faults and as an Englishman, who watch QF 86, I should detest him.
But he was the best footballer I have ever seen by a long, long way. No one else even close.
RIP Diego.
He certainly had his faults and problems both in his career and privately, but while I don't personally consider him the greatest of all time (Messi, surely is just as good but has done it consistently for his whole career), I'll say that Maradona produced the best performance by a single player at a World Cup Tournament. He was definitely the best in the world at the time, but more than lived up to the hype and almost single-handedly won the world cup for Argentina!
For me he's always been in his comfort zone surrounded by world class players. Taken out of that zone, i.e. the Argentina national team, and 9 times out of 10 he's anonymous. And he's surrounded by far more world class players in that Argentina squad than Maradona ever was. The 1986 team was bang-average, apart from Maradona, and was only slightly better in 1990 with the addition of Cannigia - and nearly won to WC's in a row. Messi's been surrounded by Tevez, Aguero, Mascherano, Veron, Di Maria etc and still achieved nothing other than getting to WC Final in 2014.
Barca he's surrounded by world class players so small wonder someone that good excels in that team; Maradona at Napoli took them to an unbelievable two Serie A titles. He had good players alongside him (Zola and Ferrara for instance) but it was like the equivalent of Southampton winning the Premier League really. Particularly when you consider that AC Milan were at their peak and probably the best club side of all time.
Having said all that I really hope he signs for Man City as it would be incredible to see him in the Premier League. Just need Stoke to get promoted and that question mark about him could be answered :-)
And anyway, while Internationals and the World Cup used to be seen as the pinnacle of football, that's clearly not the case any more as the top teams in Europe just snaffle up all the best players, so they're all better than any international side. It used to be claimed that Messi couldn't be considered amongst the greatest because he never delivered on the "biggest stage". But I refute that because I don't see the World Cup as the pinnacle.
I think people's choice of the best is coloured by fleeting oustanding moments (and nostalgia). It's just a case of whether you consider the mark of the best as being someone clearly head and shoulders above their peers and winning the World Cup, or whether being consistently brilliant over your whole career matters more.
Probably someone who burned exceedingly bright, but for not so long (like many of the names you mentioned) stands out in the memory more too.
Maradona was clearly talented enough to be considered amongst the greatest, but probably never got the chance to show it all that much. And he was unfairly targeted back in the day too, whereas today skillfull dribbling players like him are more protected by the rules
I also believe that with more discipline he could have been at the top for much longer. In Kusturica's documentary film he can be heard saying: "Emir, do you know which kind of player would I have been, had I not sniffed cocaine? ... I could have been much more than what I am".
https://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3642868/r-p-suspiria-co-writer-deep-red-inferno-tenebrae-actress-daria-nicolodi-passed-away/
I don’t think I have the stomach for it.
--Raziel (Legend of Kain: Soul Reaver 2)
https://www.youtube.com/user/VincentTSFP
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand why many think Messi is the best of all time, just, nah, not for me. But it's a bit ridiculous to compare anyway, the greatest players of the 50's, 60, 70 etc all played in vastly different eras. Maradona and Pele were kicked to pieces, Messi is protected. But Messi's fitness, speed and skill would run rings around players of earlier eras, likewise Maradona and Pele would create and score far more goals in todays era due to the protection skilled players now get. They'd probably only last 50 minutes though :)) Swings and roundabouts.
As Gary Lineker said, you've just got to appreciate what we have in the current moment.
I agree about the nostalgia and outstanding moments too. Those are what are remembered years later. In fact I would hazard that Maradona probably wasn't quite as good as what I remember him to be (in my head he destroyed every team/opponent which is ridiculous). You just remember the moments where he made other players look very, very ordinary, not the moments where he did nothing. Same for any player really. Even as great as Gazza was for England, there were times when he was awful.
Only thing I'd disagree with is the "pinnacle". It is and always will be the World Cup IMO. Ask any player on the planet what they'd rather win - World Cup, Champions League or Domestic League. I reckon 99.99% would say the World Cup. But in the bigger football world, team supporters and all that, it's going to be different. For example I bet every Liverpool fan would have traded a couple of England World Cup wins for that first Premier League title over the last 30 years.
What a sh*tty year, really. And we still have 34 days to go.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55117704
RIP.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/hugh-keays-byrne-death-mad-max-b1765377.html