True. India's disdain for medical patents (especially life saving ones) is well known - for better or for worse. The simple truth is most third world countries simply cannot afford the cost of these medicines. We simply cannot afford to play the capitalist market here because we can't - it's just how it is.
I agree. In emergencies like these with limited supply and huge demands, capitalist market theory doesn't work well anyway, not in India, but also not in other countries.
However, in this particular case The AstraZeneca has been licensed legally to the Serum Institute for production. I guess the volume of vaccination involved allows Serum Institute to recover the cost of licensing making it tenable.
I guess the threat of completely ignoring the patent makes it easier to get licenses. :)
Thirdly, the EU has no capacity to bottle these vaccines. They have all been outsourced, or in use for other kinds of vaccines.
That sounds like a terrible idea. If you're going to mass vaccinate the local population, doesn't it make sense to mass produce all the required materials locally as well? I dunno. I'm no economic expert. Perhaps it really is expensive to manufacture all the materials in Europe (why though?). *shrug*
Well, the EU politicians believes heavily in the "free market" would makes it easier and cheaper for them to get things made in other countries. The problem is that free market doesn't work well when things are in limited supply. Well, actually it works perfectly, but it won't be cheap or easy any more.
Especially after they took their time making decisions. For example, here in the Netherlands, we have companies making vaccine quality refridgerators, needles, or respirators; they were even featured in the national tv news. When asked how their businesses were doing, they all answered they had lots of orders from every other country except within Europe. No wonder the EU is having supply issues. :(|)
In other news <link>, it seems they have found a local bottler for the J&J vaccines. According to the article the bottler was supposed to bottle dengue candidate vaccines but can now also do covid vaccines too.
No - due to the amount of worldwide travel that (normally) occurs, i think it's a majority or nothing situation.
A "majority" could be as many as 51% vaccinated but I'd guess you were thinking of more than that.
The other problem with reaching a suitable critical mass vaccinations is the scarily-high percentage of people around the world who say they are going to refuse to get the vaccine... 8-|
Selfish tw@ts... X(
I don't see it as always to do with selfishness - first some of EU governments done the damage by suspending the use of the Astro-zenica vaccine. OK there are other vaccines - but it maybe has made some people more wary or wanting to wait a few weeks longer to see if there are anymore issues. Second they don't get our UK News coverage (which has been insessantly on the subject perhaps sometimes to the detriment of some peoples mental health!) although if they search around they can find it. Germany had not been so badly affected last year at least. . Thirdly refusing it can be either self-concern about it's safety, or for letting more vulnerable people get the jab when there is short supplies.
I had my vaccine today which was the Pfizer one. All well organised at our local sports centre. Basically you take a seat, get asked a few medical questions like if your allergic or had any bad reactions to vaccinations before etc. They then give you the vaccine into your left or right arm, which ever you choose and it's done. Then I was told about possible side effects and was advised to take Paracetamol before bed, was then given a card with my details on for my second vaccine, then led to a seating area where I was told to sit for 15 minutes and if I felt fine after was free to leave.
Apart from a very slight bit of a numb feeling at the vaccine site of my arm, I've had no side effects so far. I will also point out about the sitting for 15 minutes after the vaccine, although not 100% sure, but I think that applies to which vaccine you get. A mate had his vaccine last Sunday but had the AstraZeneca one. He mentioned there were some folks sitting after he had his, but was told he was fine to leave immediately after he had his vaccine.
I had my vaccine today which was the Pfizer one. All well organised at our local sports centre. Basically you take a seat, get asked a few medical questions like if your allergic or had any bad reactions to vaccinations before etc. They then give you the vaccine into your left or right arm, which ever you choose and it's done. Then I was told about possible side effects and was advised to take Paracetamol before bed, was then given a card with my details on for my second vaccine, then led to a seating area where I was told to sit for 15 minutes and if I felt fine after was free to leave.
Apart from a very slight bit of a numb feeling at the vaccine site of my arm, I've had no side effects so far. I will also point out about the sitting for 15 minutes after the vaccine, although not 100% sure, but I think that applies to which vaccine you get. A mate had his vaccine last Sunday but had the AstraZeneca one. He mentioned there were some folks sitting after he had his, but was told he was fine to leave immediately after he had his vaccine.
I had the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination on Monday.
I’m one of those people who are not keen on needles or injections. In fact normally I hate going to doctors or hospitals.
The centre where I went was a well organised operation.
You confirm your details, then you get asked some medical questions. You roll up you sleeve and then it’s done. It was very quick. The jab itself was about the same as a flu jab.
The whole process was quick, I was only in there for about five minutes :)
If you had driven yourself, you were advised to wait in your car for fifteen minutes before driving in case of any problems.
Apart from a slight ache in my arm, I had no side effects that day.
The following day however, I did experience various annoying side effects. Best described as man flu. Including a dull but persistent headache, feeling of nausea in the morning, also at one stage, feeling cold. I was also very sleepy (not helped by not getting much sleep during the night, but that may not have been anything to do with the injection). And my arm feeling like someone had punched me just below the shoulder. Oh, and my appetite did a runner :-O
I did not sleep particularly well that night either. Today however, I’m almost back to normal.
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The reason why I said no to the first offer of Astro Zeneca and asked for J&J was two fold bu the most important reason was my concern about the potential for mistakes in the supply chain ESPECIALLY out here in rural VA known for its slap happy notions of service. What worried me was the possibility that somehow someone somewhere might have been careless in the way the vaccine was handled, perhaps leaving a crate out long enough for it to warm up a bit and jeopardize its chemistry? Unlikely perhaps but not impossible, lots of potential for an 'oops!' such as a faulty refrigeration unit? Easily overlooked and not reported by whoever responsible.
My second reason for the J&J choice was that transport to a vaccination centre is difficult to arrange as we have no car and live way out in the sticks, actually swamp rather than sticks! So a one shot deal is better for us even if the J&J isn't quite as effective at preventing infection but they say its equally effective at preventing hospitalization - I hope but then again even before the pandemic we only encountered another human being maybe once a week if that.
My mum and brother got their jab on Tuesday, my mum had a sore head for a day or two but my brother was floored, he felt lethargic and couldn't move his arms very well, i said this was to be expected and to ride it out and said he'd be fine in a day or so.
Got my jab yesterday, given the Oxford. Feel fine so far this morning, just a dull ache in the arm. I've already booked my second in June, supplies permitting.
My parents got their first jab in mid-March and were supposed to take the second dose two weeks after. But now the govt has revised the schedule saying that studies are saying that the second dose is more effective after a month of the first dose. So now they have to wait till mid April for their second dose. *shrug*
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I've still heard nothing about my jab and there's talk of covid passports soon to everything from shopping to travelling, hope this doesn't mess up my US travel plans.
I've still heard nothing about my jab and there's talk of covid passports soon to everything from shopping to travelling, hope this doesn't mess up my US travel plans.
You’re in Scotland aren’t you? Give 0800 030 8013 and they’ll tell you.
It I used it couple of weeks back after swearing I’d not be like my sister-in-law and wait for my letter. They couldn’t have been nicer. And as I predicted to the woman my letter came the very next day!
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the J&J vaccine has been pulled in the USA for the same reasons as has troublled the Astrazenica one. My wife had the J&J just last week. I bet its mostly safe, just like Astrazenica, but its the old 'abundance of caution' trope i.e we don't want a class action lawsuit'.
It's the funny thing about human's you'll get people who'll say "I don't want that vaccine its not safe", that same person 20 minutes later is on the highway doing twenty miles over the speed limit, over and undertaking everyone who'll let them (and many that will try not to).
I get the impression that naysayers will use any excuse as a reason not to get a vaccination.
In the same way that some will not use face masks.
But of course, should they get ill, then it’s another story...
Strangely enough, I know of someone who did not believe in the virus, refused to take precautions or use a face mask. Guess what, yes, he caught COVID19 :))
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I find the hysteria the media/social media are pumping out to be bordering on the insane.
Yes 1 in 1 million may get a blood clot, but it's the same for air travel ( yes i know it's a different type ) and paracetamol can be just as dangerous for other reasons but as a race we still manage to shovel in billions of these a year and i don't see the media furore over any of these issues.
FFS if you are offered the vacine then take it, 1 in 1 million is better odds than 1 in a 1000 if you catch COVID.
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I agree. In emergencies like these with limited supply and huge demands, capitalist market theory doesn't work well anyway, not in India, but also not in other countries.
I guess the threat of completely ignoring the patent makes it easier to get licenses. :)
Well, the EU politicians believes heavily in the "free market" would makes it easier and cheaper for them to get things made in other countries. The problem is that free market doesn't work well when things are in limited supply. Well, actually it works perfectly, but it won't be cheap or easy any more.
Especially after they took their time making decisions. For example, here in the Netherlands, we have companies making vaccine quality refridgerators, needles, or respirators; they were even featured in the national tv news. When asked how their businesses were doing, they all answered they had lots of orders from every other country except within Europe. No wonder the EU is having supply issues. :(|)
In other news <link>, it seems they have found a local bottler for the J&J vaccines. According to the article the bottler was supposed to bottle dengue candidate vaccines but can now also do covid vaccines too.
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I don't see it as always to do with selfishness - first some of EU governments done the damage by suspending the use of the Astro-zenica vaccine. OK there are other vaccines - but it maybe has made some people more wary or wanting to wait a few weeks longer to see if there are anymore issues. Second they don't get our UK News coverage (which has been insessantly on the subject perhaps sometimes to the detriment of some peoples mental health!) although if they search around they can find it. Germany had not been so badly affected last year at least. . Thirdly refusing it can be either self-concern about it's safety, or for letting more vulnerable people get the jab when there is short supplies.
Apart from a very slight bit of a numb feeling at the vaccine site of my arm, I've had no side effects so far. I will also point out about the sitting for 15 minutes after the vaccine, although not 100% sure, but I think that applies to which vaccine you get. A mate had his vaccine last Sunday but had the AstraZeneca one. He mentioned there were some folks sitting after he had his, but was told he was fine to leave immediately after he had his vaccine.
I had the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination on Monday.
I’m one of those people who are not keen on needles or injections. In fact normally I hate going to doctors or hospitals.
The centre where I went was a well organised operation.
You confirm your details, then you get asked some medical questions. You roll up you sleeve and then it’s done. It was very quick. The jab itself was about the same as a flu jab.
The whole process was quick, I was only in there for about five minutes :)
If you had driven yourself, you were advised to wait in your car for fifteen minutes before driving in case of any problems.
Apart from a slight ache in my arm, I had no side effects that day.
The following day however, I did experience various annoying side effects. Best described as man flu. Including a dull but persistent headache, feeling of nausea in the morning, also at one stage, feeling cold. I was also very sleepy (not helped by not getting much sleep during the night, but that may not have been anything to do with the injection). And my arm feeling like someone had punched me just below the shoulder. Oh, and my appetite did a runner :-O
I did not sleep particularly well that night either. Today however, I’m almost back to normal.
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My second reason for the J&J choice was that transport to a vaccination centre is difficult to arrange as we have no car and live way out in the sticks, actually swamp rather than sticks! So a one shot deal is better for us even if the J&J isn't quite as effective at preventing infection but they say its equally effective at preventing hospitalization - I hope but then again even before the pandemic we only encountered another human being maybe once a week if that.
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My parents got their first jab in mid-March and were supposed to take the second dose two weeks after. But now the govt has revised the schedule saying that studies are saying that the second dose is more effective after a month of the first dose. So now they have to wait till mid April for their second dose. *shrug*
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Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
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How dare you! ;) Nope, I'm in deep Surrey. I've only ever been to Florida for holidays.
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You’re in Scotland aren’t you? Give 0800 030 8013 and they’ll tell you.
It I used it couple of weeks back after swearing I’d not be like my sister-in-law and wait for my letter. They couldn’t have been nicer. And as I predicted to the woman my letter came the very next day!
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There was me thinking it would be a month or two and at over one year later we are still in the trenches.
It may well be if you are still there :D
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“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
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How are you feeling today, hope you are well? Any side affects?
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What really sucks is I have to go to work soon, and my job and a sore arm do not go well together.
It's the funny thing about human's you'll get people who'll say "I don't want that vaccine its not safe", that same person 20 minutes later is on the highway doing twenty miles over the speed limit, over and undertaking everyone who'll let them (and many that will try not to).
In the same way that some will not use face masks.
But of course, should they get ill, then it’s another story...
Strangely enough, I know of someone who did not believe in the virus, refused to take precautions or use a face mask. Guess what, yes, he caught COVID19 :))
Repair Guides. Spanish Hardware site.
WoS - can't download? Info here...
former Meulie Spectrum Archive but no longer available :-(
Spectranet: the TNFS directory thread
! Standby alert !
“There are four lights!”
Step up to red alert. Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb!
Looking forward to summer in Somerset later in the year :)
Yes 1 in 1 million may get a blood clot, but it's the same for air travel ( yes i know it's a different type ) and paracetamol can be just as dangerous for other reasons but as a race we still manage to shovel in billions of these a year and i don't see the media furore over any of these issues.
FFS if you are offered the vacine then take it, 1 in 1 million is better odds than 1 in a 1000 if you catch COVID.